American car sales are kicking butt as of last month
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/03/by-the-numbers-july-2010-how-soon-we-forget-edition/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/03/by-the-numbers-july-2010-how-soon-we-forget-edition/
No, they've just been swapping WHOLE frames out of them for the last 3 years because of rot.What a hijack.
The OP is looking for a midsize. A market segment that the big 3 haven't taken seriously is 10yrs. They know that Toyota et al have it locked down.
Of all the crap that Toyota has gotten in the last year, the Tacoma has never been mentioned.
I'm with ya on this one. I don't think Quo Fan should get another one just for the mere fact that people refer to it as a "Taco."Ive been reading this thread trying to figure what the hell a "Taco" is. Is it really that hard to just go ahead and spell the whole word? Is leaving out those last two letters saving you time?
Get you numbers right. The frame rust issues where on the previous generation. While that did suck, Toyota made it right by buying up all the trucks and paying people 50% over bluebook. Not a bad deal for a 10yo truck.No, they've just been swapping WHOLE frames out of them for the last 3 years because of rot.
For the 2 years before that they were doing turnins for up to $12,000 per truck turned in. (if you bought another taco to replace it of course) because of frame rot.
Do some research.
When you buy foreign crap your money goes overseas. Why would anyone EVER want to help support another countries' army anyways???
And paint it pink!I'm with ya on this one. I don't think Quo Fan should get another one just for the mere fact that people refer to it as a "Taco."
At least you got the state right this timeat people arguing about cars with a guy from Fenton, MI.
You realize.....ahhh nevermind.Check out Edmunds.com Reviews from actual buyers.
Consumers Favorites
Top three are not American
Crossovers
Looks like America wins the trucks
I wouldn't put much faith in JD Power. Edmunds has never steered me wrong.
Also, deprecation on american cars is much much higher than those made in Japan.
That is why I posted the picture of the taco truck.Ive been reading this thread trying to figure what the hell a "Taco" is. Is it really that hard to just go ahead and spell the whole word? Is leaving out those last two letters saving you time?
Just wait till the talk shifts to the Pink Cadillac.Ive been reading this thread trying to figure what the hell a "Taco" is. Is it really that hard to just go ahead and spell the whole word? Is leaving out those last two letters saving you time?
For the same reason auto company's put plants in other countries, money.Why would anyone EVER want to help support another countries' army anyways???
Get a ford. Go murica!Read this thread to find out why.
What I want, is a mid-sized pickup, 6' bed, extended cab (not double), 4 wheel drive and not a base model.
I had a Tacoma base 4X4 with very few options.
Make some recommendations.
Right now's a good time to get one... Despite Toyota's recent bad press, the current model has been in production for what? 5 years? Bugs, (If any?) have been pretty much worked out at the end of a 5 year model run.... and you can push hard on 2010 pricing right now.... but, they can be like a needle in a haystack if you're trying to find a certain model/features right now at this time of year....The Tacoma is a good looking truck.
Wow.When you buy foreign crap your money goes overseas. Why would anyone EVER want to help support another countries' army anyways???
better not watch these videos then....Show me a 1500 series V8 gasser with more power and torque, stronger brakes, stiffer frame, wider ring gear, more durable tranny, better lighting and payload/towing capacity while still maintaining a reasonable street ride AND the ability to get 19-20mpg on the freeway. Yeah, didn't think so.
Well perhaps not 40-50 years but there are plenty of Toyotas getting absolutely thrashed in all sorts of strange parts of the world. Any Warlord worth his salt doesn't mount his .50 cal on anything but a Hilux.can anyone show me a 40 or 50 year old toyota pickup still getting used and abused? wait a minute, they didn't even know what a pickup was in japan 50 years ago...
Remember pearl harbor by any chance?Wow.
You had a semi-but-not-really-decent argument going until this.
Americuhn pride bitchez!!
Just looked at how many Toyota plants are in the US, 14. Ford plants in North America( including Mex and Can), 22. It is a global market. While I agree with you about supporting American business think about this, who do you think sells these vehicle at the dealerships. Owns the dealerships, works on the cars when they break down. I don't see 4 and half ft Japanese dudes running around the floors.Remember pearl harbor by any chance?
Oh, let me guess, that could Never happen again, they love us now...
The next time a friend or family member tells you that they got laid off, just look them in the eye & say "my job is secure, so yours don't matter".
That's pretty much what all of you Pro Jap morons are doing with these attitudes..
It's not a global market, it's us against them & that's exactly how the Japanese view the situation.
Look outside of your little bubble at whats going on in your own country, for fvcksakes...
nah, I am quite open to the discussion, I already said the toyota owns the midsized truck market. The tundra is crap, those ford video's show it, and so have most other tests. The F150 and Silverado are the top two trucks in the half ton market, period.Haha worthless to try and argue foreign vs domestic with a meathead from Fenton, MI!
My '07 Tundra has more American hands building it than the American trucks do nowadays. It is also rated as more reliable, and as far as I can tell, is far easier to work on and maintain.
Show me a 1500 series V8 gasser with more power and torque, stronger brakes, stiffer frame, wider ring gear, more durable tranny, better lighting and payload/towing capacity while still maintaining a reasonable street ride AND the ability to get 19-20mpg on the freeway. Yeah, didn't think so.
My previous '06 Tundra (1st gen) also saved my life when it flipped twice and landed on the roof going freeway speeds. I remain quite confident that other vehicles in the same class would have caved in the cab and both my girlfriend and I would be dead - I know this because I have seen the integrity of those other vehicles fail under far less extreme circumstances.
I've looked at the others and they just do not compare until you make the jump to a diesel.
When we can make a better vehicle here, I'll be happy to buy one, even if it's more expensive. Cheaper crap is still crap though.
Edit: Just for the hell of it - picture of my lovely '06, or at least what was left of it.
How dare you try to bring facts into this.GM has 68,000+ employees on US SOIL.
Toyota has 28,000
These are your engineers, designers, marketing, sales, skilled trades, etc.
GM has 5800+ dealers that employ people
Toyota has 1500 Dealers employing 113,000 people.
How can you argue that supporting Toyota supports more american jobs than supporting GM?
Source for numbers, pleaseGM has 68,000+ employees on US SOIL.
Toyota has 28,000
These are your engineers, designers, marketing, sales, skilled trades, etc.
GM has 5800+ dealers that employ people
Toyota has 1500 Dealers employing 113,000 people.
How can you argue that supporting Toyota supports more american jobs than supporting GM?
Never go Full Retard, son. Which you have done right here. That's just friendly advice.Remember pearl harbor by any chance?
Oh, let me guess, that could Never happen again, they love us now...
The next time a friend or family member tells you that they got laid off, just look them in the eye & say "my job is secure, so yours don't matter".
That's pretty much what all of you Pro Jap morons are doing with these attitudes..
It's not a global market, it's us against them & that's exactly how the Japanese view the situation.
Look outside of your little bubble at whats going on in your own country, for fvcksakes...
toyota landcruiser FJ45 you fvcking nitwit.can anyone show me a 40 or 50 year old toyota pickup still getting used and abused? wait a minute, they didn't even know what a pickup was in japan 50 years ago...
It's not so simple as to what's a domestic and what isn't... and frankly, I'd rather have corporate profits going to Japan, where the CEOs are paid in the $100-500k/yr range, rather than to the $10M+ fat cats that run the American companies into the ground.Toyota Tacoma
Engine: US, Japan
Transmission: US, Japan
Assembled: Fremont, CA and Mexico
Toyota Tundra
Engine: US
Transmission: US
Assembled: San Antonio, TX, Princeton, IN
Over 75% domestic content
Ford F-150
Engine: US
Transmission: US
Assembled: Claycomo, MO, Dearborn, MI
Over 75% domestic content
Ford Ranger
Engine: US (I-4), Germany (V-6)
Transmission: France, Japan
Assembled: St Paul, MN
GMC Sierra
Engine: US, Canada
Transmission: US, Canada
Assembled: Fort Wayne, IN, Pontiac, MI, Flint, MI, Mexico
Over 75% domestic content
GMC Canyon
Engine: US
Transmission: Japan, Mexico
Assembled: Shreveport, LA
Nissan Frontier
Engine: US
Transmission: Japan
Assembled: Smyrna, TN
Nissan Titan
Engine: US
Transmission: Japan
Assembled: Canton, MI
I presume you have some of these?<snip> the tundra is just a womans truck cross dressed in a man's world.
<snip> you know, selling trucks to people who use them for more than just putting a couple pretty mountain bikes or a cute little kayak in the back...