I just have the patent on rocks, not stones.DAMN! Welp, if e13 and MRP can steal (innovate) from each other, (along with every other company in the world) perhaps so can we.
I just have the patent on rocks, not stones.DAMN! Welp, if e13 and MRP can steal (innovate) from each other, (along with every other company in the world) perhaps so can we.
And in the process all it's doing is jamming up the court systems and wasting a lot of time and money. Money that could be better spent, perhaps on R&D.So e13 copied MRP but included the ISGS mounting??
I swear, the market for bash guards must be huge for all these guys to being paying big bucks for patents and lawyers.
and hookers! and beer! and bacon!Money that could be better spent, perhaps on R&D.
No, the other weird twist to this is that MRP never made an attempt to manufacture or market this guide until well after Dave dreamed up the LG-1+taco (and to my knowledge, he didn't know anything about the MRP guide when he did it).So e13 copied MRP but included the ISGS mounting??
Well, this is designed for hitting logs perpendicular to the rings.i have to say, its a good idea, but at the same time, i think the guard is too far away from the big ring to be truly effective.
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yes and thats what IMO makes it "not truly effective", at least i have more problems with rocks than logs, might be something that changes with riding terrain of course.Well, this is designed for hitting logs perpendicular to the rings.
Sorry, should have put a at the end of my post irate2:yes and thats what IMO makes it "not truly effective", at least i have more problems with rocks than logs, might be something that changes with riding terrain of course.
Again, right on!All in all, wtf do you care? I mean, if there is more to offer, more options, it's just better for us clients. If there are more designs and models, than shurely the prices will go down and products will get better, it's all just logical, so why do you care if who copied who, if it works it's fine! If it's cheap? even better! if it's light.. than hell yeah! I see mrp designing an improved chain guide, but then... aren't all chaing guides and improvement of and older design? who gives a ****, just ride your bike! LMAO
omfg GM should makes cars that don't have 4 wheels, they are SO just copying the model T from ford........ Wait, they should just redesign the wheel so they can call themselves innovative....i didnt mean to say one was copying the other, its just that from what i see, mrp doesnt have the sales that e13 does, and they are steming off e13's ideas to take a little of that profit back. e13 releases something, and mrp must also just to keep up.
get bent ftw gfysGamut has some good stuff in the works...
E13 didn't really invent the chainguide either by a long shot. They hardly have anything original at all going on - they just got a bunch of nuisance patents going and claimed fame to a lot of things. It's about the most simple friggin thing on a bike and again people are acting like there's a lot of intellectual property here when there isn't. It's really pretty humorous from an engineering standpoint. I will buy the MRP when/if I ever build another 3-ring bike simply because I can't stand the business approach of E13, which is to basically make a royal nuisance out of themselves in an industry that is far too small to call for such behavior. I see them edging towards the business practices of the Big S at some point down the line...
"To copy one person is plagarism. To copy multiple people is research." - Someone smart.
Ted, you start sh*t and then you wonder why everyone hates you?easy, easy! every one calm down
My understanding is that MRP only just recently purchased this patent from SMT (simple minds technology). These guys had a '240' bashie for street use. Designed by Jim Bob- http://simplemindstech.com/db2/00182/simplemindstech.com/_uimages/SP.JB2.JPGNo, the other weird twist to this is that MRP never made an attempt to manufacture or market this guide until well after Dave dreamed up the LG-1+taco (and to my knowledge, he didn't know anything about the MRP guide when he did it).
you honestly think the Model T was the first car with 4 wheels?omfg GM should makes cars that don't have 4 wheels, they are SO just copying the model T from ford........ Wait, they should just redesign the wheel so they can call themselves innovative....
no.....I'm well aware that there were other cars before then. Just like there were other chainguides before e-13......obviously you missed the real point of the statement.you honestly think the Model T was the first car with 4 wheels?
teh win!!all this talk about "bash guards." in communist Russia, the guards bash you.
hello mr. nail, meet mr. head.MRP's practice of copying and using lighter materials masquerades as innovation when in fact it does nothing more than maintain the current standard.
edit: beat me to itThe ISCG "industry standard" that was created at e.13 by DW.
Very, that is the entire point of patents.as for the patent around the guard mounted to it, how fine a point can we put on that patent?