What DH bikes have Horst link?
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And of course there's the FSR/Bighit/Demo9. Nobody would ever suspect Specialized to have Horst Link. 
I didn't think the bighit was horst... *goes to check photos*Originally posted by mtnbkr4235
And of course there's the FSR/Bighit/Demo9. Nobody would ever suspect Specialized to have Horst Link.
edit: right you are. So why aren't bighits as good at DH as M1s?
Well, they don't cost as much...
They're also 24" rear-wheel mandatory. The Recoils are pretty nice bikes, tho, IMHO.
A horst link is a big category, and some horst link designs will be different than others... all it needs as a horst link is a pivot below and in front of the rear axle, I think. Heck, a Giant NRS is in this category.
Also IMHO, the 4-bar bikes tend to be good all-around bikes but have no huge characteristics to note...just "neutral" feeling to me.
MD
they are, but they dont say "Intense" real big on the side and they dont cost as much, so snobs think they're too good for them. Oh, and there's the stigma go being made in Taiwan or whatever too. But IMO, if you can ride a 24" wheel in the back, its every bit as good.
demo 9 isnt horst...
And of course BETD in the UK make a 26" rear end for them.
Hmmmm...
I'm trying to sort my mate out with a second hand DH bike you see, want to get him something really good - he's set on a 2003 M1 at the moment but there's not much around so I'm searching for other things that'll ride just as well.
Well then check into Norco as well. They seem to go cheap used, and they take 26's if thats a sticking point. Also, Iron horse.
A lot of diamond back bikes are horst also....
yes it is; effectively the same 4-bar as the big hit (ie, wheel path/geometry is the same), just with different shock positioning.
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Wow I didn't believe you at first...but it sure looks like itOriginally posted by mtnbkr4235
A lot of diamond back bikes are horst also....
well, its fishy...... its a horst in the way the seatstays move, however, the shock actuation is single pivot. so id say you wont gain horst advantages as far as the "feel" of the shock, but the geometry is horst. but it could just as easily be a regular old 4 bar, if you made the rear link extend into the frame and push the shock down. so as far as it being considered a horst link, in my eyes, no.
Well, that makes one.
The rest of the world obviously recognizes that the wheel moves independant of the chainstay and that that's the defining characteristic of a 4-bar horst, but whatever.
Demo 9 is defenately a Horst. The whole point with Horst are the axlepath. You can make linear or progressive link to activate the shock regardless of how the rear pivot are located.
Specialized owns the Horst patent, and will ofcorce use it on their own bikes.
The Horst patent is pretty spesific on where the rear pivots are located. Ellsworth and Giants designs dont interupt with the patent.
From what I know, the patent is a US only thing, so you will find alot of "Horst" bikes in Germany.
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Specialized owns the Horst patent, and will ofcorce use it on their own bikes.
The Horst patent is pretty spesific on where the rear pivots are located. Ellsworth and Giants designs dont interupt with the patent.
From what I know, the patent is a US only thing, so you will find alot of "Horst" bikes in Germany.
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03 M1 with 888 D321, Hayes, etc...$2700usd complete
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If you say that, I was wrong on that.
Elsworths dont interupt, at least
Elsworths dont interupt, at least
It looks like the new NRS frames uses Horstlink. I thought the old ones did not.
The NRS havent looked like this forever???
JM, is it Specialized stickers on a Truth??
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The NRS havent looked like this forever???
JM, is it Specialized stickers on a Truth??
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You said it, i cant resist
Let post #1000 be Bikeporn
Bulldog,
are ya going to be at the white knuckle races this coming weekend? if not you should look into it, im going as well as a whole bunch of guys from around here.
By the way, hella nice usage of the quotage in the sig
are ya going to be at the white knuckle races this coming weekend? if not you should look into it, im going as well as a whole bunch of guys from around here.
By the way, hella nice usage of the quotage in the sig
the NRSs havnt always looked like that, they used to have fugly stays, but the pivots were still in almost the same places, and yes Ellsworthlesses have Spec. patent stickers on the chainstay.
Originally posted by - seb
not that I care because it's out of price range and an ugly piece of crap, but you sure about that?
You mean its out of your price range, which makes it ugly because you cant have one
The more I see that damn bike of yours....Originally posted by ViolentVolante
Bulldog,
are ya going to be at the white knuckle races this coming weekend? if not you should look into it, im going as well as a whole bunch of guys from around here.
By the way, hella nice usage of the quotage in the sig
The more I like it!
How much do you weigh? I'd love to ride it sometime but I usually keep my fat arse off others bikes cuz I'm too heavy.And nah, I gotta work again next weekend too. All this rain sucks. I haven't been on my mtb in almost a month! Trails always wet when I want to ride, or it's still raining.
You coming back up for the Devil's Head WORS DH/DS racing June 26/27? That may be my best chance to meet you guys yet.
can't believe all you people forgot the titus quasi-moto and super moto.
ok... i admit defeat.
i thought that the obvious difference in the link between this
and this
was the difference, not axel path.
i thought that the obvious difference in the link between this
and this
was the difference, not axel path.
I weigh right around 200 and i dont know if im coming up to devils head, i have another trip later that week, but im going to tryOriginally posted by Bulldog
The more I see that damn bike of yours....
The more I like it!
And nah, I gotta work again next weekend too. All this rain sucks. I haven't been on my mtb in almost a month! Trails always wet when I want to ride, or it's still raining.
Isn't the axle path pretty much the result of the difference between those suspension designs? Not saying it matters in practice; a lot of turner-style walking beam bikes feel 100% peachy to me, but there is going to be a difference in the axle paths, no?Originally posted by SebringMGB
ok... i admit defeat.
i thought that the obvious difference in the link between this and thiswas the difference, not axel path.
MD
They differ and are optimized for certain gear combos (and in recent times, shocks - ie SPV). They varying by pivot location - some pedal or brake better than others - even within brands from year to year. For example the older enduros have suspension geometry more conducive to better pedaling characteristics. Just cause its a horst link doesn't mean it performs the same and frame geometry makes a big difference too.
Actually, most of them pedal pretty crappily IMO. Intenses pedal like a mud bog, so do Bighits, Norcos etc... Iron Horses are marginally better but not a lot. The braking isn't totally neutral either, but whether that's a bad thing is hard to say (because some amount of squat can be helpful with attitude control, particularly on steep sections). They're generally not particularly stiff though, a lot of singlepivots (with or without shock-actuating linkages, eg Turners) are a fair bit stiffer, eg Foes, 222s etc. That said, I don't notice any flex in my Iron Horse, but I'm not very sensitive to it anyway.
FSR bikes generally handle pretty neutrally IMO, they don't have any weird characteristics that make them strange/difficult to ride. That said, they usually don't do any particular thing, particularly well - they don't pedal *that* well, they generally aren't *that* good under brakes, not *that* stiff, etc... but they're cheap to make/design and a pretty good compromise between all the major concerns (the suspension members are generally easy to keep out of the way of the rest of the bike too).