Originally posted by ohio
Why is the US a target for terrorism? Will we always be one?
(I'm asking this one because I'd really like to hear an answer to the second part. I don't have one yet.)
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I'm upping the terror alert ot "plaid".
Bingo. Israel is at the root of the whole thing. If we were to allow Israel to get rolled, like the British did in 1948, then all of a sudden it wouldn't matter if we stationed the entire US military in Saudi Arabia. Of course it would only be a matter of time once these out of work terrorists figured something else out, which leads us to the second root thing Toshi mentioned. These terror groups would all of sudden focus on the overthrow of the their "secular" governments to install religious based governments like Iran.Originally posted by Toshi
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hello canadian
my answer is that we are a target because we support israel, and because we feed the rich elite who control the oil industry.
Do you think we would have to completely "sell out" Israel to obtain a stable and satisfactory solution? My personal opinion is that peace could be achieved, but we would violate our policy of not giving into terrorism. That policy has dug us into a corner where we can't help everyday Palestinian civilians, because Palestinian terrorists keep ruining things for the whole crew. We keep waiting for them to stop, when we know the longer we wait (and side with Israel while waiting) the less likely it is to stop.Originally posted by DRB
Bingo. Israel is at the root of the whole thing. If we were to allow Israel to get rolled, like the British did in 1948, then all of a sudden it wouldn't matter if we stationed the entire US military in Saudi Arabia.
very well said but if i may add, even if the u.s stop its support of israel you still have a pourcentage of right wing israele settlers that dont really care what the u.s does.these people will only add fuel to the fire and attracting even more palestian suicide bombers.i think isarel is at a point were they are not as handicaped as they where in the past if the u.s decide to pull there support.Originally posted by ohio
Do you think we would have to completely "sell out" Israel to obtain a stable and satisfactory solution? My personal opinion is that peace could be achieved, but we would violate our policy of not giving into terrorism. That policy has dug us into a corner where we can't help everyday Palestinian civilians, because Palestinian terrorists keep ruining things for the whole crew. We keep waiting for them to stop, when we know the longer we wait (and side with Israel while waiting) the less likely it is to stop.
Imagine the following scenario, a country ten times more powerful than the US decides that the Indigenous North America Natives should get their own homeland and decides to give them Califonrina and then arms them with enough nuclear weapons to defend themselves, whilst denying the US any, gives them lots of money and aid to survive and backs them in expansion into Arizona. How would the displaced US citizens feel?Originally posted by DRB
Bingo. Israel is at the root of the whole thing. If we were to allow Israel to get rolled, like the British did in 1948, then all of a sudden it wouldn't matter if we stationed the entire US military in Saudi Arabia. Of course it would only be a matter of time once these out of work terrorists figured something else out, which leads us to the second root thing Toshi mentioned. These terror groups would all of sudden focus on the overthrow of the their "secular" governments to install religious based governments like Iran.
AND who is responible for that? Who had the opportunity to do it right the first time? BUT who went ahead and made the transistion as painful as possible with little or no chance of success?Originally posted by fluff
The problem with the Isreali solution is that it was not holistic and it was at the expense of the Arab world. Couple that with the West's distrust of Islam and you have a recipe for disaster. The disgruntled Arabs have no other means to retaliate other then terrorist methods so that's what they do.
Will you always be a target? Only so long as you retain your current position.
Do you think the US would actually let that happen?Originally posted by DRB
I do get pissed because no one else seems seriously interested in putting themselves into that role.
Who knows? No one has ever stepped up to the plate and tried to seriously resolve the issue so its pretty much a moot point. They make feeble attempts but don't follow thru with them. But see it isn't easy and the chance for success is slim, so why take the chance inserting yourself in the process and becoming the new scape goat.Originally posted by fluff
Do you think the US would actually let that happen?
Ain't bitchin' about who is at fault. When was the last time you heard a US diplomat or official even mention 1948. I just want to make sure that you know where a lot of this started and how it became the US's problem. It also has a lot to do with how the problem evolved over time and how the US got where it is. See because knowing the whole story is important when you try to solve a problem.Bitching about blame won't solve a thing so why do you insist on blaming other nations for getting it wrong in the past as some form of justification for current actions? If there's a problem the thing is to solve it, not waste time on blaming others for its creation. Of course, it's much harder to fix a problem than it is to find someone to blame. I see it every day in every area of life. [/B]
I think pulling out completely would be the same as starting an all out war ourselves. Israel is strong, and they've fought off their enemies before, but we'd be inviting a bloodbath if we disappeared.Originally posted by rbx
.i think isarel is at a point were they are not as handicaped as they where in the past if the u.s decide to pull there support.
again very well said ohio,but i think that BOTH arafat and sharon need to step down as they both have to much blood on their hands(sharon for the palestian beiruth massacre) and arafat for the palestian suicide bombers.the big problem is also syria and hizib allah(iran supported milicia) have a stake in all of this.being lebanese i would really like to see syria(the goverment not the people get their a$$ kicked (they really screwed up my country)Originally posted by ohio
I think pulling out completely would be the same as starting an all out war ourselves. Israel is strong, and they've fought off their enemies before, but we'd be inviting a bloodbath if we disappeared.
I think we need to stop viewing the situation as "will we or won't we support Israel," and instead view it as "Can we achieve peace in Israel/Palestine." We have done a great job of vilifying Palestinian terrorists (rightfully so), but we haven't done as good a job of vilifying extremist Israelis, especially settlers. It's a chicken and egg problem, and I don't buy the argument that its more legitimate when it's an army that does the killing. It's wrong on both sides. and even if it wasn't, Israel still doesn't have the right to enslave a population.
We need to start providing aid to Palestinian refugee (concentration/labor) camps the same way we would (or at least I hope we would) in any other territory. We don't have to support/legitimize Arafat to do that, but it would go a long way towards restoring some order to their lives (which in turn might prevent some from turning to extremism). A healthier, more educated, more free Palestinian population is that much more likely to pursue legitimate channels for their cause and/or recognize the problem with their current leadership.
I don't know if it adds any legitimacy to my case, but I'm Jewish, and I lived in Jerusalem for some time immediately following the Gulf War, so I'm not under any hippy illusions about group hugs solving the whole problem.
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Why is the US a target for terrorism? Will we always be one?
(I'm asking this one because I'd really like to hear an answer to the second part. I don't have one yet.)
It's a giant crucible of crap now days, that's for sure....being lebanese i would really like to see syria(the goverment not the people get their a$$ kicked (they really screwed up my country)
one thing i do like is that the u.s is starting to see that syria is not as clean as they thought it was.
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