Too much patriotism?Somebody said something nice about Foes?I still don't believe the Trek 9.9 is made in the U S?
so why didn't he just delete it?DMG requested it be closed...
you're asking the right question. just to the wrong person...so why didn't he just delete it?
i still cant believe its not butterI still don't believe the Trek 9.9 is made in the U S?
I can't believe it's not better.i still cant believe its not butter
pauly d's brother would have better hair than that.Dude looks like pauly D's brother...
I don't think they butter (or double- or triple-butter) carbon.i still cant believe its not butter
So what about Zerode?Im really diggin that bike when they make a large.Is it made here,sent over there,put together and sent back here?/QUOTE]
yes it is
No it's not. Pretty sure the US Zerode distributor got them from US, not NZ.So what about Zerode?Im really diggin that bike when they make a large.Is it made here,sent over there,put together and sent back here?/QUOTE]
yes it is
While I agree they may be catching up, the shift from taiwan to china is making things just as crappy. When I go to the home depot, I expect the tools I buy to fail, and I try to buy the ones that I know I can replace in two years with quality tools, because those tools are currently unavailable or unaffordable to me as a first time homebuyer. I fully expect products from china to be ****, and that's why I don't want to buy bikes from there. Taiwan is close, but I just don't see the benefit to anybody by shipping production off.How are foreign made products any different than the every day products we all use and buy? We talk like bikes are isolated from the global marketplace, when we use products everyday made from global supply chains. I love my FTW frame and am planning on a trip for me and my son to see the shop and maybe some welding in action, but even Frank himself has said (now over 6 years back) that quality in Asia is catching up. If you use Moore's Law (which essentially states that technology doubles in capacity every two years), one might venture to say that the playing field has been leveled.
America is no longer a manufacturing country, it's service based.
lrn2spacebarWe can't afford to just be serviced based.It'll work it's way back.Not everyone can go to college,or wants to.Internet based things don't actually supply anything of value.It has to be made.And as other country's catch up to us,it no longer is advantages to ship stuff from there to here .
Didn't even make it to June...LOLZ @:I asked to shut it down. I've just decided to ride my Intense SS and be the whore that I am known to be for a certain company. I didn't want to start flaming out like I did a few years ago with a similar thread about Santa Cruz that ended with me in an altercation with one of their reps. I am on good enough terms with the company that I am "y u mad bro" about right now that I don't want to burn the bridges.
Mind you I might change my mind if it makes it to August and I am sans frame, but I'll jump that canyon when I get there.
I'm hoping that enough companies see the good in US-based production, and don't choose to re-tool and make that move, and I can get vise-grips built in Nebraska again (that pinch vertically without 3mm of side to side play). There will always be bottom dollar goods, but I want the option to buy something for a few more dollars that won't break in a week, like my shovel, rake, and wheelbarrow. My father's tools are all still going strong somehow.What will they think when the next shift is from China to India?
America is shooting itself in the foot.How are foreign made products any different than the every day products we all use and buy? We talk like bikes are isolated from the global marketplace, when we use products everyday made from global supply chains. I love my FTW frame and am planning on a trip for me and my son to see the shop and maybe some welding in action, but even Frank himself has said (now over 6 years back) that quality in Asia is catching up. If you use Moore's Law (which essentially states that technology doubles in capacity every two years), one might venture to say that the playing field has been leveled.
America is no longer a manufacturing country, it's service based.
Just curious, what exactly are you looking for in a trail bike that a Tracer (or Carbine) doesn't offer?America is shooting itself in the foot.
My next trailbike is probably going to be one manufactured in the UK per a total lack of choice in that category from anything here in the US. My last one being made in Eastern Canada for the same reason.
I think that Ventana and Intense make great bikes BTW... Just no variety or choice if adding the "US Made" into the purchase decision.