I see full dynamix is making them and have read that Giant will have a team only verion this year....alloy MTB frames with carbon stays (like road bikes).....not too sure about this...any thoughts ?
In terms of the ride quality, I'm right there with you, but my problem with carbon stays would be that many of the trails round here are based on gritstone, with sizeable boulders. When you crash, the bike is going to hit one of these at some point, and the rock's really abrasive... the seat/chainstays on bikes that get a lot of use in this area tend to be covered in scratches, which can cause a lot more problems in carbon than they would in an equivalent metal rear end.Originally posted by sub6
I'd be all over that. I ride a carbon bike, the stays hold up fine. It's a little flexy though; it'd be nice to have a stiffer front end but my last Al bike was too rough on me. Sounds like a perfect compromise.
Originally posted by indieboy
stosh that saddle is one of the most comfortable saddles on the market. if you don't like it you can always go put one of those big wide ass gel saddles on it :devil:
I second that.Originally posted by indieboy
they've actually been making that frame for a number of years now. mig rode one to victory during the olympics if i'm not mistaken. IMHO carbon stays are the DUMBEST idea ever!!!! i don't like the on road bikes and definiatly not on a mtn frame. it's a bunch of hyped up bullshiet that these big name companies feed out to the public and everyone bites it and thinks its going to increase their comfort by huge amounts i think a lot of ppl would be way more comfortable on their xc bikes and be able to tell a much more noticable difference in their frames if they were fitted properly. and stosh that saddle is one of the most comfortable saddles on the market. if you don't like it you can always go put one of those big wide ass gel saddles on it :devil:
ding ding ding! the only benefit that comes out of it is more $$ for the manufacter. less time spent on the bike b/c it's much easier to glue in a rear end then weld it and align it......Originally posted by Babar
I second that.
Carbon rear = heavy, expensive and probably most people cant tell any difference in ride quality, I certanly don't.
Yep i saw some roadbike with glue sipping out and dried out of those joints.Originally posted by indieboy
ding ding ding! the only benefit that comes out of it is more $$ for the manufacter. less time spent on the bike b/c it's much easier to glue in a rear end then weld it and align it......
well the thing is the glue dries SO quickly it's hard to clean up. the same thing can be seen now on the RS world cup Sid's. the first year they used the carbon crown you couldn't see the glue b/c they didn't make that many of the forks but now they are being pumped out like crazy the quality probably went down just a slimmmmmmmm bitOriginally posted by Babar
Yep i saw some roadbike with glue sipping out and dried out of those joints.
Just crappy ass quality...
Yep, just put the first rock scrapes on my Titus this weekend. My Kona has several as well. I would shatter a carbon stay...Originally posted by PaulE
In terms of the ride quality, I'm right there with you, but my problem with carbon stays would be that many of the trails round here are based on gritstone, with sizeable boulders. When you crash, the bike is going to hit one of these at some point, and the rock's really abrasive... the seat/chainstays on bikes that get a lot of use in this area tend to be covered in scratches, which can cause a lot more problems in carbon than they would in an equivalent metal rear end.
Further proof that the XC scene is getting more and more "Road-like" every year. Which I believe will lead to the degredation of our sport.Originally posted by rockracing
I see full dynamix is making them and have read that Giant will have a team only verion this year....alloy MTB frames with carbon stays (like road bikes).....not too sure about this...any thoughts ?
My buddies Pinerello came like that they clearcoated right over it...Originally posted by Babar
Yep i saw some roadbike with glue sipping out and dried out of those joints.
Just crappy ass quality...
Now that is just silly - what else would XC bikes be like? DH bikes only lighter???Originally posted by -BB-
...degredation of our sport.
XC bikes are getting to be like road bikes w/ bigger tires.
i think you might be confused as where the sport of mountain biking developed from......it wasn't all that long ago that "MOUNTAIN BIKES" were just road frames w/ ballon tires and DROP bars....if anything it's a development of the sport, not a degredation of it. things are constantly changing and technologies are shared between each "divison" that lays within this sport. gonna go ahead and end that rant on that note.Originally posted by -BB-
Further proof that the XC scene is getting more and more "Road-like" every year. Which I believe will lead to the degredation of our sport.
XC bikes are getting to be like road bikes w/ bigger tires.
Originally posted by indieboy
i think you might be confused as where the sport of mountain biking developed from......it wasn't all that long ago that "MOUNTAIN BIKES" were just road frames w/ ballon tires and DROP bars....if anything it's a development of the sport, not a degredation of it. things are constantly changing and technologies are shared between each "divison" that lays within this sport. gonna go ahead and end that rant on that note.
indie, i definetly agree with you regarding proper bike fit being more important than just about anything (p.s. my s-works is now looking much better after a fitting). that said, ever ridden a Serotta Ottrott ST? i agree that some road bikes don't benefit from carbon stays, and that the work is poorly done, but it can be properly done, and can be a major benefit on road bikes. the Serotta in question was built to be stiff, in fact it felt as stiff of a sprinter as my Specialized, but much more comfortable while causing less fatigue to my body. Just because IF doesn't use carbon rear ends, don't knock them. oh, and I heard that IF is going the full suspension route...maybe they'll license the Slingshot design so they'll stay 5 years behind everyone else. example, an extra cost for disc tabs on the mtb frames?! ok, i'm done ranting about IF now, and btw, i'd still ride one.Originally posted by indieboy
IMHO carbon stays are the DUMBEST idea ever!!!! i don't like the on road bikes and definiatly not on a mtn frame. it's a bunch of hyped up bullshiet that these big name companies feed out to the public and everyone bites it and thinks its going to increase their comfort by huge amounts
Originally posted by scofflaw23
indie, i definetly agree with you regarding proper bike fit being more important than just about anything (p.s. my s-works is now looking much better after a fitting). that said, ever ridden a Serotta Ottrott ST? i agree that some road bikes don't benefit from carbon stays, and that the work is poorly done, but it can be properly done, and can be a major benefit on road bikes. the Serotta in question was built to be stiff, in fact it felt as stiff of a sprinter as my Specialized, but much more comfortable while causing less fatigue to my body. Just because IF doesn't use carbon rear ends, don't knock them. oh, and I heard that IF is going the full suspension route...maybe they'll license the Slingshot design so they'll stay 5 years behind everyone else. example, an extra cost for disc tabs on the mtb frames?! ok, i'm done ranting about IF now, and btw, i'd still ride one.
ben.
hehehe i won't go on about serotta, they make some awesome bikes but the road bike w/ the elastomer rear end..... ........yeah, well lol nuff said. but yeah they CAN be a benefit......however right now w/ the current technology it's not really a big benefit, ESPICALLY on a Ti or Steel frame. on an aluminum frame it can be a benefit but you can not tell me that the aluminum rear end is heavier then the carbon and as for the FS project over at IF, they are indeed working on something. what they are working on i can honestly say i don't know, haven't really discussed it in full w/ them. however i'm sure w/ in the next few weeks i'm sure i'll know but i'll keep hush hush on it. but i'd be pretty damn sure it's not going to be a sling shot type design. i do know what they wanted to do but don't want to deal w/ the guy who owns the patent on the design. i'll leave that right there for now. and for the disc tabs..........those aren't an extra charge anymore. maybe you should read up on the new IF sales program in your dealer packet and you'd be aware of that . the reason why they did that is b/c the tabs were a bit to have milled and for a while they were producing a stock of frames. Ie. frames weren't being built on a order to order basis making it a little more costly do put the tabs on the frame, hence the extra charge. and wait till you see some of the stuff coming out the doors soon, some very interesting stuff to say the leastOriginally posted by scofflaw23
indie, i definetly agree with you regarding proper bike fit being more important than just about anything (p.s. my s-works is now looking much better after a fitting). that said, ever ridden a Serotta Ottrott ST? i agree that some road bikes don't benefit from carbon stays, and that the work is poorly done, but it can be properly done, and can be a major benefit on road bikes. the Serotta in question was built to be stiff, in fact it felt as stiff of a sprinter as my Specialized, but much more comfortable while causing less fatigue to my body. Just because IF doesn't use carbon rear ends, don't knock them. oh, and I heard that IF is going the full suspension route...maybe they'll license the Slingshot design so they'll stay 5 years behind everyone else. example, an extra cost for disc tabs on the mtb frames?! ok, i'm done ranting about IF now, and btw, i'd still ride one.
ben.
Yeah but they come with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Originally posted by Serial Midget
Serotta would NEVER deliver a custom frame with drippy glue.
Well, if IF would even send us some 2003 catalogs, maybe i'd know about these disc tab things. we just ran out of 2002 catalogs today, how does it look giving a customer buying a multi-thousand dollar bike a 2 year old catalog? next we'll be giving out the 2000 catalogs with Jason from Ace on the cover. But for real, i got nothing but love for IF, i just saw one of the frames with the new disc dropouts today, and all i can say is "damn". matt was in the shop today, i was finally introduced to him, not a bad guy.Originally posted by indieboy
hehehe i won't go on about serotta, they make some awesome bikes but the road bike w/ the elastomer rear end..... ........yeah, well lol nuff said. but yeah they CAN be a benefit......however right now w/ the current technology it's not really a big benefit, ESPICALLY on a Ti or Steel frame. on an aluminum frame it can be a benefit but you can not tell me that the aluminum rear end is heavier then the carbon and as for the FS project over at IF, they are indeed working on something. what they are working on i can honestly say i don't know, haven't really discussed it in full w/ them. however i'm sure w/ in the next few weeks i'm sure i'll know but i'll keep hush hush on it. but i'd be pretty damn sure it's not going to be a sling shot type design. i do know what they wanted to do but don't want to deal w/ the guy who owns the patent on the design. i'll leave that right there for now. and for the disc tabs..........those aren't an extra charge anymore. maybe you should read up on the new IF sales program in your dealer packet and you'd be aware of that . the reason why they did that is b/c the tabs were a bit to have milled and for a while they were producing a stock of frames. Ie. frames weren't being built on a order to order basis making it a little more costly do put the tabs on the frame, hence the extra charge. and wait till you see some of the stuff coming out the doors soon, some very interesting stuff to say the least
BTW do you know if ACE is hiring? i'm thinking of coming to boston and am trying to find some possible jobs.....
When I got mine I lied to my wife about the price... now we are divorced but I still have my beautiful Serotta... paint is a little dated though...Originally posted by Babar
Yeah but they come with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Some people might have to sell there wife and kids to get a serotta.
THEY don't even have '03 catalogs. things are rough around there man. well maybe they finially did get them but i'm not sure. i think i still have some 02 catalogs in my truck of my car so when i come up i'll swing by and give those to you guys if you want. and i'm surprised you haven't met matty b. earlier then this. he's an ultra cool guy just EXTREMELY busy. you should really stop by the factory one day to meet all the guys. bunch of great laid back guys that enjoy bikes and enjoy discussing different things and theories and what not.Originally posted by scofflaw23
Well, if IF would even send us some 2003 catalogs, maybe i'd know about these disc tab things. we just ran out of 2002 catalogs today, how does it look giving a customer buying a multi-thousand dollar bike a 2 year old catalog? next we'll be giving out the 2000 catalogs with Jason from Ace on the cover. But for real, i got nothing but love for IF, i just saw one of the frames with the new disc dropouts today, and all i can say is "damn". matt was in the shop today, i was finally introduced to him, not a bad guy.
If you have experience, you might be able to get a job at Ace or Belmont, but it's seeming pretty case by case right now because of all these rainy weekends...
ben.
price is not the issue my friend, performance isOriginally posted by Thylacine
More importantly, can you afford a custom titanium frame? We're way out of Merida territory here ya know
I'm interested.... I shouldn't bee cos I spend way too much cash on bikes... but I'm interestedOriginally posted by Thylacine
Tell ya what, you buy a Ti Custom and I'll come with ya to every race in Vic and be your 'moral support'. Hows that? Heck, I might even hand you a waterbottle and a tube of my homemade 'Gu'!
Dont you guys ride around Kew?Originally posted by bURKeNSTiEN
Hey Warwick... when are we going to go for a ride man?
I have a buddy racing that frame. He's says it's fast and light.Originally posted by rockracing
I see full dynamix is making them and have read that Giant will have a team only verion this year....alloy MTB frames with carbon stays (like road bikes).....not too sure about this...any thoughts ?