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First production 29er DH bike?

mattmatt86

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Feb 9, 2005
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Everyone knows of the great BCD 29er DH bike, but I was looking for a SS 29er for XC and Commuting and I began thinking: what company(if any) will be the first to make a full production (not a one-off frame) 29er DH bike?
 

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Intense. They've got the hookups with Intense tires, and in an interview I read a while back in Decline about the merits of 29s they said something was in the works. Specialized has the capability too, but I doubt they'd do it.
 

mattmatt86

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Specialized was kinda late to the regular 29er game so I doubt they would. Intense is a very good bet! Gary Fisher seems to be all about 29ers right now, but they've never been big in the DH scene so I doubt they would ever build one.
 

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I would think it would be more Socom-esque, considering a 29er doesn't need anywhere near the travel of an M6 (new name).
 

RD

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someone hasnt been following the bcd lineup, or the mountain biking community at all for that matter.

I'm very much involved in the mountain biking community. I still don't like it. I don't like most things going on in the mountain biking community for that matter.
 

ÆX

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I would think it would be more Socom-esque, considering a 29er doesn't need anywhere near the travel of an M6 (new name).
i would say intense too.

lets just hope they don't keep the steep head tube ideas
over to there fr DH bike!
 

Cant Climb

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May 9, 2004
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Intense DH 29er, coming soon.....and maybe a 69er...stay tuned to those guys, so much cool stuff coming.
Please tell Intense to cease and desist on that 69er ASAFP.

Ghay beyond GHAY.
Will make them look like complete tools if they do that.

29er is bad enough but still....
 

dw

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:huh: Good thing the motocrossers didn't think this way when things were shifting from 19 to 21" front wheels.
Apples to Oranges. You just can't compare the moto change from 19" to 21" front to a change from 26" to 29" wheels on mountain bikes. I know it seems like it could be compared but the 21" changeover satisfied several real needs for MX, whereas 29ers, well, they have not proven superior and don't really address any "needs" at this time.

I think its great that people are experimenting and once riders are willing to accept the cost and weight penalties (need wider hubs, more rim and tire, and 8" travel 29" DH forks won't be made at the QTY of 26" forks so the price will be higher at first) needed to make 29" wheeled DH bikes with comparable travel and geometry to 26" wheeled bikes I expect to see some people riding them.
 

ÆX

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I can imagine 29ers will do good on a downhill track with no (tight) corners but we dont have a lot of those in Europe...

BCD how are your experiances with 29er cornering abilitys compared to 26ers?
the ONLY issues with 29ers in dh are tires, sticky mud.

they can be ridden in tight corners and if they are a little

slower in 5 corners VS the whole track, they are well worth

it. i am upping travel on my next bike to 7 f-r.


everything has its haters, it will be awesome to see what happens

in the next few years with them.
 

blue

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Jan 24, 2004
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Hopefully, they catch on just like 24's did all those years ago.



FAD.
:stupid:

Lame. I have a hard enough tiime getting my 26" wheels through tech sections...Maybe on an XC hardtail I'd consider 29s, but for a DH bike hell no.

People just want to be different and stand out, I guess.
 

bizutch

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Dec 11, 2001
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I know it seems like it could be compared but the 21" changeover satisfied several real needs for MX, whereas 29ers, well, they have not proven superior and don't really address any "needs" at this time.
Exactly...Moto went from 19's with high side walled tires to 21's with MUCH lower sidewalls, hence less flex and more power to the ground as 1 big advantage.

On a DH wheel, you can't drop the sidewall anymore b/c we ride rocks and roots all day long and need what little sidewall we have.

You can't make a 29 inch wheel and a lower side wall tire to keep overall height down.

I could see a 29 inch wheel helping someplace really, really high speed..but am I the only one who thinks it would only make sense on to do a front 29/rear 26 combo...not both.
 

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People just want to be different and stand out, I guess.
Tell me BCD just wants to stand out. He is a pro racer experimenting with the advantages and disadvantages of different setups. If anything, he gets flamed all the time for what he's doing.
 

Cant Climb

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May 9, 2004
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29'rs huge in xc.

People feel safer on them IMO.


Most people who ride them xc have no interest in going fast or taking any chances what so ever on a bike......

29'ers are make it easier to roll over thoose 6 inch ledges at 1 MPH....
 

syadasti

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29'rs huge in xc.

People feel safer on them IMO.


Most people who ride them xc have no interest in going fast or taking any chances what so ever on a bike......

29'ers are make it easier to roll over thoose 6 inch ledges at 1 MPH....
Yeah MikeD had a good time on the 69er, only took two rides...

MikeD said:
So I rode again today, and trashed a bunch of guys on loaded Bullits down the techy local trail...until the last waterbar, when my 29" wheel folded upon landing, jammed in my fork, and sent me wildly otb before I knew wtf was up.

Screw 29" wheels. They are NOT strong enough for how I'm riding. Definitely weaker than 26" wheels...in practical as well as theoretical terms. Not to say they're bad, but not good for me.

I like the rigid thing, though...but I don't want my HA any steeper when I switch back to a 26" (and isn't it awesome that I cut up an old 26" wheel to get the hub for my 29?). MMcG, still have that long Zion fork??

Trashed my body up pretty good, destroyed a nice jersey, killed my front brake, and ruined my ride today. Grrrr.

...

Salsa Delgado Disc rim, 14g spokes.

Never had a stiffness issue...don't think a 20mm would matter much...the only one I knew of was Woodman, anyhow, and I'd rather have a steel qr fork than an AL fork of any kind. Ed: The Funn cromo weighs 4.7 lbs!!!! Holy crap.

Zion is pretty cheap, so I'll probably just pick one of them up if the 26" turns out to be as steep as I think it will be.

It was a fun experiment until the end...pity it only took two rides for it to happen. Now I need to find ways to keep these abrasions from seeping through my shirt onto my suit...there's really too much to bandage. And I need to find a cocktail fork for my left pinky, since it kinda looks like a Vienna sausage.

MD
 

Cant Climb

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^^
Wow.

By 'safer' i meant rolling in and out of holes/rocks in the trail......never heard of wheels blowing up.
 

ÆX

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Yeah MikeD had a good time on the 69er, only took two rides...

yeah, me too.





i don't ride stock anymore. you are right they are weaker. a lot weaker.
but with dishless and a 38mm rim my wheels last 2x longer than
a 26. just ask anybody who raced MSA. how many wheels did
they go thru.

me, i am still on THE SAME WHEELS.
 

xy9ine

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Mar 22, 2004
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i'm sure they have advantages in certain situations; definitely an avenue worth exploring. who says that the ancient standard 26" is optimum for all people & conditions? most likely not feasible for small people, but i can definitely see taller people making these work. it actually kinda makes sense having rider size specific wheel diameters.
 

MinorThreat

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Nov 15, 2005
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Exactly...Moto went from 19's with high side walled tires to 21's with MUCH lower sidewalls, hence less flex and more power to the ground as 1 big advantage.
Where do you get this stuff? Sidewall/casing profiles did not change in the switch from 19s to 21s. And, in fact, sidewall height probably increased slightly in the small-displacement classes as the standard went from a 2.75 up to a 3.00.

I guess I'm curious why Dave does not think that the larger diameter front tire would do for a DH bike what the 21 did for the motocross bike.

...but am I the only one who thinks it would only make sense on to do a front 29/rear 26 combo...not both.
I'm with you on that count. Larger front/standard rear seems like a good combo.

Maybe 29 is too much of a jump? Could the advantages of a larger-diameter front be accomplished with a 27.5 or 28? (set aside for a moment the fact that they don't exist - - I'm asking in purely hypotheticals).
 

seth505

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sonofa...I just realized when I put my 36" wheels on that i will need to find a supermonster that will clear 36" wheels...F!!!
 

seth505

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NOTE- I am not typing sarcastic comments to bring down BCD, I think what he is doing is cool and experimentation should pretty much always be applauded if there is some real format being followed. I purely just dont like the idea of a change to 29" wheels.
 

Kevin

Turbo Monkey
the ONLY issues with 29ers in dh are tires, sticky mud.

they can be ridden in tight corners and if they are a little

slower in 5 corners VS the whole track, they are well worth

it. i am upping travel on my next bike to 7 f-r.


everything has its haters, it will be awesome to see what happens

in the next few years with them.
Coming from one of the only people with actual experiance, that sounds pretty promising.
Id be the last to say it doesnt work or to call it a fad and if I get the chance Id definitly be the first to try one.

Cheers
 

ÆX

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NOTE- I am not typing sarcastic comments to bring down BCD, I think what he is doing is cool and experimentation should pretty much always be applauded if there is some real format being followed. I purely just dont like the idea of a change to 29" wheels.
thanks, b/c i waz about to come up there and pop a cap.............