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ohio

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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manimal said:
it's funny how pissy you get when you've bled for that flag.
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Did you bleed for the flag or did you bleed for America? For a symbol, or for the values it represents?

And again, you're getting more "pissy" about a guy who probably has a lot of pride in that flag and flew it the wrong way out of ignorance, than the thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands?) in this country that fly a foreign flag and no American flag at all. Why get more upset about a well-intentioned mistake than people who genuinely don't appreciate what this country gives them?
 
MMike

MMike

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Westy said:
Same here. Even if I knew I wouldn't have cared. That whole care more about the symbol than what it stands for isn't my thing.

Not exactly related but the situation reminds me of this.

1992 World Series
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I was gonna make reference to that


A faux pas occurred when a United States Marine Corps color guard erroneously displayed the Canadian flag upside down during the opening ceremony of the second game.[1] Speculation ensued amongst some Canadians that the flag was flown upside down as a deliberate insult to Canada, although most agreed the act was unintentional. The Corps apologized for the error and took pains to carry the flag properly prior to Game 3 in Toronto after insisting that they would be honored to do so
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MMike

MMike

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i actually only just watched the video now. What a friggin nutbar!!

Drops the mexican flag on the ground. Nice.

If someone is retarded enough to put a lot of stock into the whole "flag" thing, what he did is way worse than what the shop-keep did.

Being a vet, I guess he's not right in the head. "He's seen some stuff man..."
 
Greyhound

Greyhound

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Jul 8, 2002
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Silver said:
So, we've established that you're clearly not a law and order type of person. .
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Although the Mexican store owner showed a lack of respect for his positioning of the flags, the intent of his action is always going to be debatable. Problem is, you'll never get anyone on either side of this issue to concede a point to the other. The vet then reciprocated the lack of respect for the owners flag by dropping it on the ground. OK......everyone is now even.

Was the shop owner trying to make a statement that he is Mexican first, American resident 2nd? Or, was it a sly point that this guy thinks Mexico will take over America at some point? Or, do you just think it was just a case of national pride, and he grabbed the Mexican flag 1st and ran it up the flagpole and then put the American one afterwards? Who knows.......but if you wanted a real world solution, the vet should have really kept his cool, confronted the store owner in a less-agressive manner and let him know what the legal deal with it is.......obviously the shop owner doesn't mind flying the American flag-simply take the American flag down, raise some funds with a taco-dinner and put a seperate flagpole up so both flags can be flown simultaneously. Problem solved.
 
MMike

MMike

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manimal said:
nope, i sure didn't bleed for a piece of fabric, all of those i served with bled for the ideal that is America and the flag symbolizes that ideal. it is a tangible article that symbolizes everything we are about. i don't expect most of you, especially blue, to understand what it's like to stand for something that requires a belief in something other than your own personal agenda. hell, even communists require respect of the flag blue. at least here, you have the freedom to desecrate it if you so please.
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Oh beautiful for spacious skies.............
 
MikeD

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Just because it's in the US code doesn't make it a law. That's a point of protocol. If it was in a law, it'd be in a criminal title of the code (which I don't believe Title 1 is) and specify a penalty.
 
B

blue

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Jan 24, 2004
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manimal said:
nope, i sure didn't bleed for a piece of fabric, all of those i served with bled for the ideal that is America and the flag symbolizes that ideal. it is a tangible article that symbolizes everything we are about. i don't expect most of you, especially blue, to understand what it's like to stand for something that requires a belief in something other than your own personal agenda. hell, even communists require respect of the flag blue. at least here, you have the freedom to desecrate it if you so please.
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Ja, ist das Vaterland unter belagerung! SIEG HEIL!

You wanna know why I have a sickle and hammer as my avatar? Not because I love the Soviet Union, that's for damned sure...the fact that you get so bent out of shape about it (see referenced comment above) demonstrates your inept ignorance (and participation) on/in the matter of blind nationalism and symbol worship. You're aware that the most devastating wars in history were fought primarily because of thinking like yours, aren't you? There's something very wrong with that.

Oh wait... I haven't "seen what I've seen", right? Cue up some horribly composed "patriotic" song...
 
Fonzie18

Fonzie18

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Haha, that guy is a nutcase. "I’m a Vet and I won't let them do this to my country", "If they wanna fight us then they can come" "I want them to fight me for this flag!!!".

I understand that this guy has very strong feelings toward the flag. However, the way he acted makes him look downright ridiculous. I'm not 100% familiar with the law but I would assume it is not ILLEGAL to fly another flag above the U.S flag...if it is then alot of people would be in trouble. I went through the "flag codes" (pointed out by MikeD) and it is in fact a code and not a law. So it would be at the same level as: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Flag_Dumpster.JPG/800px-Flag_Dumpster.JPG

What sucks is that the media clearly stated that it is illegal and the vast majority of the public will take that as fact (that is, if this act is truly NOT illegal and just a "flag code" violation).

Quick story: A couple of years ago some kids from the neighborhood thought it would be awesome to cut down a Mexican flag from another neighbor's house. They did, diced it up into about 50 pieces and sprinkled the pieces on the neighbor's car. I guess when family awoke the next morning to the "prank", the mom started to cry and the kids did the same. The kids (perps.) told me about it and thought it was the greatest thing, they had no regard for the family and even less for the flag, which apparently holds no merit when compared to the great "old glory"/// Although the old man didn’t go though the trouble of
destroying the other flag, this story reminds me of the video clip.
 
Transcend

Transcend

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MMike said:
in honoUr of this thread, I dragged an american flag behind my car on my way to work.....
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Funny thing about US flag laws: It is also illegal for the flag to be worn as a piece of clothing. Plenty of "patriotic", redneck asshats do this without a second thought. It's especially funny when it's veterans or members of the active military who like to cause trouble like the Vet in this story.

It is also illegal to hang it off of your car, boat, 18 wheeler etc. Plenty do that as well.

Also shouldn't be carried horizontallya st hey do with those gigantic flasg at NFL games.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
 
BurlyShirley

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Wow, my search of "American Flag Bikini" turned up some interesting pics, including this gem.

 
kidwoo

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ohio said:
I think this guy needs a round-house kick to the face, Rex Kwon Do style.
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Sh1t like this is just proof that Rex Kwon Do style is taking over our country.

It's an act of agression, by which I feel threatened. Sweaty ass roundhouse kicks are a desecration to pants everywhere.......over which I've shed my own flesh and blood to defend.

I will fight for pants till the day I die!
 
MMike

MMike

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kidwoo said:
Sh1t like this is just proof that Rex Kwon Do style is taking over our country.

It's an act of agression, by which I feel threatened. Sweaty ass roundhouse kicks are a desecration to pants everywhere.......over which I've shed my own flesh and blood to defend.

I will fight for pants till the day I die!
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