so my dad decided....
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Why Atomlab hubs? Dish out some more cash and get something really nice.
Also, for the spokes. Do it yourself. Spoke Calc
Also, for the spokes. Do it yourself. Spoke Calc
I have *heard* of problems with them but I don't know specificly. I can make any hub feel good, but thing can go wrong over time.
I'd go with Hadley.
I'd go with Hadley.
Completly up to you.
Dad "boy, you need a new set of wheels"
Son "NO! I dont want to!"
Dad "Well you have no choice in the matter, your mother and i have decided, your getting new wheels, and darnit im gonna pay for em'!"
Right.....
Son "NO! I dont want to!"
Dad "Well you have no choice in the matter, your mother and i have decided, your getting new wheels, and darnit im gonna pay for em'!"
Right.....
I have been running trailpimp front and rear hubs for about 2 years now. I haven't had any problems with the front hub, but it is heavy. As for the rear, it works, but if you pedal really hard, you can make the pawls skip (only sometimes).
didn't even get to the trailhead on its first ride before my freehub body cracked on an atomlab rear hub.
immediately relaced to a hadley and it has been sweetness.
immediately relaced to a hadley and it has been sweetness.
Why atomlab? Really...? Get some Dt Swiss 440 iv'e got an aircorp on the back of my street bike and it's been great but i know that they have problems.
You should take better care of your wheels this time around.
I have a set of atomlab pimplites, I think they have about a season on them and the hubs seem fine, though if you have the money you could find something much better. But I don't have any issues with them yet, except for the front hub being a pain to get into my 2004 boxxer.
I had aircorps front and rear with no issues but for that money why not just get hopes and be done with it? Hopes, 823s, Dt Comps.. done and done. The atomlabs were nice but pretty effing heavy if you ask me.
All these NJ kids are destroying RideMonkey one thread at a time.
The PIMP hubs are really sweet. My bro use to run a PIMP up front and an aircorp hub in the rear. It was sweet. I highly recommend them.
Are you gonna get the red ano diablo hubs?
Are you gonna get the red ano diablo hubs?
Aren't they the Diablo team hubs?
EDIT: or are the shiny red rims the diablo team rims?
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No, you are. The kid asks about atomlab hubs, and you tell him to buy hadley - do you have any concept of money?
nope... you can buy all of that stuff anywere... just the new team wheels
Oh duh. The team uses them, they aren't diablo signature wheels. I gotcha.
to be honest i dont think concept of money has any relavance in this thread cause the kids daddy is going to buy his wheels. so this brings up the argument if daddy is shelling out the money to keep you safe why not buy a more expensive and more reliable wheelset so that you can be safer. i personaly dont recommend them cause about 3 years ago when i was looking at them i heard nothing but bad reviews of them. personally if i get a bad review of a rim or hub im going to stay clear of it cause well its kind of an important piece of equipment on a dh rig.
now if i was you i would be looking into i9's, hope (cheaper, light, reliable, and come in awsome colors), dt swiss, or hadley. i would also either lace them up to a set of 823's or dt swiss 6.1. this is just one mans opinion you can take it or leave it man. good luck and enjoy the new wheelset.
How much are i9 hubs anyways? I'd kill for a set of them.
I just ran some numbers for you and you may or may not be able to use the atom lab spokes. It is close but even if it does lace up your dish may be off.
Just because his Dad is buying his wheels for him, doesn't mean he is gonna spend a chunk of cash. Maybe his Dad wants him to have a good reliable wheelset without burning a hole in his pocket. I am not saying thats the situation but that does show concept of money is relevant in this thread.
... cause I'm missing a bunch of spokes, and a couple flat spots, and a couple cracked at the eyelets[/QUOTE]
Dude, whats up with that? and BTW is your Dad looking to adopt
Dude, whats up with that? and BTW is your Dad looking to adopt
that would be why i suggested hope hubsets as well, and i do know for a fact there around the same price as an atomlab, are extremely reliable, and well like i9's come with some pretty trick color options. i just gave my opinion man and thats it i wasnt trying to make a federal case out of this. he asked and i gave some free advice.
well in know for there full dh/fr wheelset with dtswiss 6.1 rims your looking somewhere around the 1000 $ mark unless you know somebody in the company, but as far as the hubs themselves i have no clue you might want to just call them and they would probly be able to tell you.
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Wheelset starts at around $900.00 laced to a DT 6.1 rim and colored spokes/hubs other than red/black/silver are an extra $150.00 per color.
I know that... but you can buy just the hubs.... how much?
I don't think you can buy their hubs alone. But why would you? You'll have to buy there spokes and all that too. You might as well have them build a wheelset for you. With your choice of rim.
Last I checked they were making standard hubs
Really? When are they supposed to come out?
So... getting back on track - I've seen this kid ride and he's not too shabby. :biggrin:
Traditionally Atom Lab stuff is pretty burly - but it depends on what components you are buying. I have no personal experience on A.L. gear so I can't give any real "saddle time" feedback. I have heard of issues ranging from component problems to CS issues, but that was at least 3 years ago.
Imoprtant things to consider (not necessarily in order of importance):
1. Budget (even if a parent is footing the bill)
2. Reliability
3. Durability
4. Performance
5. Replacement Parts Availabilty
6. CS (Customer Service)
7. Warranty
8. Suitability (does the equipment suit your riding style: i.e. - are you hard on equipment?)
So for example, if you wanted an alternative to the A.L. setup AND save some cash:
- Hope Pro II hubs / DT Swiss Spokes (Champion, or Competition) / Ringle MTX 33's (if you can find em') :biggrin:
The hubs are light (about 300g for a 150mm) well engineered, are of great quality, but only have 24pts. of engagement compared to the usual 36pts. that most hubs have. (At the opposite end of the scale there are hubs like my Hadley 108pt, which have near instantaneous engagement when you go to push for a pedal stroke)
Moving up:
- Shimano SAINT 08' / DT Swiss spokes / Sun-Ringle rims (MTX 33's, or whichever you prefer. Single Tracks don't seem to hold up well to heavy abuse, and for DH don't even think about the S.O.S. unless you weigh 90 lbs. and are super smooth on the bike. Rhyno Lite XL's are a bit lighter than Single Tracks (590g and 565g respectively), but an absolute BITCH to mount a tire on due to the shallow bead channel in the center of the rim. MTX's can be difficult to mount at tire on as well, but this is due to a super tall rim lip. The bead channel in the center of this rim is fine however... just use a bit of soap bubbles (NOT soapy water) and it's all good. Also - the rest of the new 08 MTX series of rims is of limited availablity right now in the states. If you REALLY want to get the other MTX rims (29, 31, etc.) you CAN get them from Chainreactioncycles.com... but it's gonna cost ya.
Moving up again:
- Hadley SDH hubs (72 or 36pt) / DT Swiss spokes / Mavic 721 or 729
Hadley makes great hubs that are high quality, and are located in the US, (so it's easy to get replacements) and have awesome Customer Service. Well engineered, bearings are smooth as buttah and reliable as an M-1 Garand. (WWII rifle that you could run over with a truck, drag through the mud, and at the end of the day still pick it up, and fire without a glitch)
Still going:
- DT Swiss 440FR or 340 hubset or King ISO Disc / DT Swiss spokes / Mavic 721, 729, 823.
The Mavic 721 is strong, but not unbreakable. Excellent strength to weigh ratio however coming in at around 580g per rim. The 823 is the UST rim that is also used in the DeeMax wheelset. Since it is UST it uses threaded eyelets, and as such with these on the rim the whole she-bang clocks in at a rather hefty 716g (check Sicklines.com for weight info - if you don't see a weight pic for a part you need, do a search in that folder/album). The King hubs use a "ring drive" system which is 72pt. if I'm not mistaken. It's a King so you're probably familiar with their reputation. DT Swiss make excellent hubs as well - they use a "star-ratchet system" in their hubs and come in 36pt only. Both the King and the DT's are light, reliable, well engineered, and expensive.
I don't mention DT Swiss rims because these are primarily race rims which dent easily as a means to absorb impacts instead of transferring energy to the tire/tube/rim interface thereby causing a pinchflat. They are also pretty expensive (as are the Mavics, but these rims are made from an aluminum which has been made stronger using Mavic's proprietary MAXTAL hardening process)
Ultra BLING:
- Industry Nine DH hubs and spokes / new 09' DeeMax (not out yet... I think)
Super expensive (around $1000 for a wheelset), but you get what you pay for. Lightweight wheels that are pretty burly and engineered like no other. The I-9 setup allows you to run any rim you want AND once you dent the living poop out of em' you can unlace the the trashed rim, save the spokes, and lace up a new rim with the old spokes (provided that you are using the SAME model/manufacturer rim or a rim with a similar ERTO). I asked the guys at I-9 about re-using old spokes from a beat up wheel, and they said that the spokes are burly enough to handle this. Don't know how many times you can re-use them, but it's nice to know that it IS possible and has the OK from the guys at I-9. The I-9 setup uses their proprietary spokes which are SUPER thick almost like moto spokes. They are straight-pull with no j-bend and thread into their hubs. Very stiff, lightweight and burly. - Also stellar Cust. Service at I-9 and they know their sh!t. :biggrin:
Don't know much about the new 09' DeeMax other than the rims are machined to save weight, and the hubs have been improved with better spoke retention and different bearings. There was a link about them around here somewhere... do a search - should pop up. Mavic's CS is pretty awesome too.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: Yep, I-9 also makes standard hubs. All of their stuff comes in 120 or 60pt. engangement if I'm not mistaken... They have a 135 standard rear hub for MTB in production right now and is available... not sure if they have the 150mm out yet...
Traditionally Atom Lab stuff is pretty burly - but it depends on what components you are buying. I have no personal experience on A.L. gear so I can't give any real "saddle time" feedback. I have heard of issues ranging from component problems to CS issues, but that was at least 3 years ago.
Imoprtant things to consider (not necessarily in order of importance):
1. Budget (even if a parent is footing the bill)
2. Reliability
3. Durability
4. Performance
5. Replacement Parts Availabilty
6. CS (Customer Service)
7. Warranty
8. Suitability (does the equipment suit your riding style: i.e. - are you hard on equipment?)
So for example, if you wanted an alternative to the A.L. setup AND save some cash:
- Hope Pro II hubs / DT Swiss Spokes (Champion, or Competition) / Ringle MTX 33's (if you can find em') :biggrin:
The hubs are light (about 300g for a 150mm) well engineered, are of great quality, but only have 24pts. of engagement compared to the usual 36pts. that most hubs have. (At the opposite end of the scale there are hubs like my Hadley 108pt, which have near instantaneous engagement when you go to push for a pedal stroke)
Moving up:
- Shimano SAINT 08' / DT Swiss spokes / Sun-Ringle rims (MTX 33's, or whichever you prefer. Single Tracks don't seem to hold up well to heavy abuse, and for DH don't even think about the S.O.S. unless you weigh 90 lbs. and are super smooth on the bike. Rhyno Lite XL's are a bit lighter than Single Tracks (590g and 565g respectively), but an absolute BITCH to mount a tire on due to the shallow bead channel in the center of the rim. MTX's can be difficult to mount at tire on as well, but this is due to a super tall rim lip. The bead channel in the center of this rim is fine however... just use a bit of soap bubbles (NOT soapy water) and it's all good. Also - the rest of the new 08 MTX series of rims is of limited availablity right now in the states. If you REALLY want to get the other MTX rims (29, 31, etc.) you CAN get them from Chainreactioncycles.com... but it's gonna cost ya.
Moving up again:
- Hadley SDH hubs (72 or 36pt) / DT Swiss spokes / Mavic 721 or 729
Hadley makes great hubs that are high quality, and are located in the US, (so it's easy to get replacements) and have awesome Customer Service. Well engineered, bearings are smooth as buttah and reliable as an M-1 Garand. (WWII rifle that you could run over with a truck, drag through the mud, and at the end of the day still pick it up, and fire without a glitch)
Still going:
- DT Swiss 440FR or 340 hubset or King ISO Disc / DT Swiss spokes / Mavic 721, 729, 823.
The Mavic 721 is strong, but not unbreakable. Excellent strength to weigh ratio however coming in at around 580g per rim. The 823 is the UST rim that is also used in the DeeMax wheelset. Since it is UST it uses threaded eyelets, and as such with these on the rim the whole she-bang clocks in at a rather hefty 716g (check Sicklines.com for weight info - if you don't see a weight pic for a part you need, do a search in that folder/album). The King hubs use a "ring drive" system which is 72pt. if I'm not mistaken. It's a King so you're probably familiar with their reputation. DT Swiss make excellent hubs as well - they use a "star-ratchet system" in their hubs and come in 36pt only. Both the King and the DT's are light, reliable, well engineered, and expensive.
I don't mention DT Swiss rims because these are primarily race rims which dent easily as a means to absorb impacts instead of transferring energy to the tire/tube/rim interface thereby causing a pinchflat. They are also pretty expensive (as are the Mavics, but these rims are made from an aluminum which has been made stronger using Mavic's proprietary MAXTAL hardening process)
Ultra BLING:
- Industry Nine DH hubs and spokes / new 09' DeeMax (not out yet... I think)
Super expensive (around $1000 for a wheelset), but you get what you pay for. Lightweight wheels that are pretty burly and engineered like no other. The I-9 setup allows you to run any rim you want AND once you dent the living poop out of em' you can unlace the the trashed rim, save the spokes, and lace up a new rim with the old spokes (provided that you are using the SAME model/manufacturer rim or a rim with a similar ERTO). I asked the guys at I-9 about re-using old spokes from a beat up wheel, and they said that the spokes are burly enough to handle this. Don't know how many times you can re-use them, but it's nice to know that it IS possible and has the OK from the guys at I-9. The I-9 setup uses their proprietary spokes which are SUPER thick almost like moto spokes. They are straight-pull with no j-bend and thread into their hubs. Very stiff, lightweight and burly. - Also stellar Cust. Service at I-9 and they know their sh!t. :biggrin:
Don't know much about the new 09' DeeMax other than the rims are machined to save weight, and the hubs have been improved with better spoke retention and different bearings. There was a link about them around here somewhere... do a search - should pop up. Mavic's CS is pretty awesome too.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: Yep, I-9 also makes standard hubs. All of their stuff comes in 120 or 60pt. engangement if I'm not mistaken... They have a 135 standard rear hub for MTB in production right now and is available... not sure if they have the 150mm out yet...
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