I hope im not highjacking this thread..
I find it interesting that a guy can win on a bike that has virtually no anti-squat (even has pro-squat).
But at the time that low anti-squat/low pedal-feedback feature lets Gwinn get in some pedal strokes in the rough sections so gaining some time..
So...
Has any company ever provided "efficiency" real world number differences between 0,50 and 100% AS suspension systems?
I mean is it like a 5 watt power difference(loss) 0 vs 100% AS?
If the suspension is well designed the P-1 has the potential to the next evolution in MTB suspension.
All the A/S with minimal chaingrowth!!
I really like it:thumb:
Only a DW link acts like a dw link
Its not because it has small parallel links it means that it will act like a DW link.
In fact not even Giant's maestro suspension acts like a dw link.
Small parallel links go as far back as Balfa 2-step circa 2004.
This what i initially thought but i was thinking that since the front a and rear sprockets are the same size(the chain line force passes tru the main pivot so no moment is created)
Then the greater force becomes the ground tire contact point(parallel to ground).
I think the traditional way...
This is the design i have been working on
On paper i should i get 100% anti-squat(thru all the travel) with zero chain extension and active braking.
The cc is at the center of the alfine hub.
Also the CC(center of curvature) is mid-point from the ground to the COM of standing rider.
My...
If you look at the Zerode bike on the linkage program and place the COM of the rider at (450,850)
I estimated the height of rider after drawing up a 2d CAD stick figure(real human proportions) figure standing up while accelerating.
Then the mid height would be at about 575 as you said so we...
I still think that by having an internal geared hub with a cc pivot at just the right height you could have 100% anti-squat(thru the entire travel) and have zero pedal feedback on top of that.
(same size sprocket)
So if i understand the maths correctly Zerode is using the ground/reaction force at rear tire contact point to create a "lifting" force at the main pivot.
(moment ground force X distance to main pivot = a reaction in "y" axis equal and opposite to the "y" force acting on the rear contact...
Zerode suspension explanation/theory of why its design is neutral to "bob" casts a doubt in my mind...:think:
Its like they calculated all of their moments about the main pivot and dont use the anti-squat gorund reaction method...
:think:
"telescoping dual UJ alu. shaft drive with gearbox...would open up alot of suspension possibilities."
The old crazy man yelled before dispairing into the wood once again!
Why use a cocentric pivot at the rear axle?
Wouldn't a very close rear chainstay pivot that is slighty above the rear axle accomplish the same things without stepping on specialized toes?
(It would also have the adavantage of being easier to design and properly seal)
Maybe im missing...
Its shame and a waste that Kona doesnt use that long upper link to good use they good get very neutral braking.
And dont give me that BS that horst link cant be laterally stiff!!
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