12 speed cassettes?
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yes, they use microspline interface. i have an xt level 12sp cassette and it's been great this far. running w/sram xo1 chain and shifter/derailleur.
Oh, man, JS, your shifting can be SO much better with a Shimano 12 chain of any flavor.
but it's great now...
True, weighed with the increased durability of an XO chain, I agree the gain would be marginal. But my XTR stuff is so smooth, it feels like electronic shifting under load, even the (lack of) thumb pressure required. I can‘t say that about the last XX1 setup I had, it felt clunky and slow, and made god-awful protest under load.
Just my experience.
Just my experience.
Yup, it’s hard to believe how bad the early stuff was, but it was all cutting edge technology to us!
No, Sunrace and Sram(and maybe others) have 12speed HG style cassettes.
I put the 12spd Sunrace on mom's bike, it seems fine.
Agreed, I cut a Shimano chain too short and had to run SRAM for while.
Notable difference when swapping back to Shimano. Less chatter and smoother shifts, Shimano chain is narrower in addition to the patented plate profiles.
you have to be fucking joking.
8, 9 and 10 speed shift way faster, more accurately and smoother than any modern 12speed wide range cassette shifting ever has.
Even Acera 7 speed shifts cleaner.
The biggest improvement in regards to your drivetrain still working after hours of riding in shite conditions wasn't wider ratio gearing, a clutch or MOAR gears it was getting rid of the mud trap that was the front mech and multi chainring chainsets. But being a DH forum we were all running single ring set ups for all round riding 25yrs back. Weren't we?
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Are you riding xtr or some slx stuff?
I think 9100 shifts better under load than anything else I've ridden.
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Nope. 10speed I run 105/ultegra or Zee/deore with 11-25 or 11-36 cassettes.
But the thing is lowly 7 & 8 speed Acera actually shift faster than 12speed XTR 9100. Although 10-45 is a slight improvement over 10-51.
12 speed's slow shifting does my head in whenever I have to ride it (SRAM or Shimano).
12 speed drivetrains shift so slowly because of the bigger gap between sprockets, taller height of the largest sprockets and the larger gap required between the mech's guide pulley and the cassette sprockets. SRAM is even slower than shimano though. This is why the largest cassette sprocket I own is a 42t on an 11spd XD cassette. I'd honestly rather push my bike than run a 51t cassette. With the tiny chainrings many riders run they're not far off walking pace in their lowest gear anyway.
You may well think that. But it doesn't. Close ratio cassettes shift faster and smoother under load. Not that I ever shift under load intentionally on any bike as its simply not the most efficient technique and continually doing so causes a shit load of drivetrain wear.
If you were to spend a decent amount of time riding a much closer ratio cassette and then swapped back to any bike with a massive range cassette you'd instantly notice the lag in shifting I'm talking about. Especially if it was to a 10-51 SRAM drivetrain.
To OP.
UK shimano distributor currently has no stock in 12spd cassettes. Desre is meant to be restocking at the end of the month. No estimated arrival date for any others.
SRAM distributors only have THE pointlessly colourful top tier eagle cassettes in stock at a retail price of one zillion UK earth pounds.
I'd guess it to be a similar story worldwide. (Except in Germany
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My XX1 is a bag of dicks. It’s never right no matter what I do to adjust it, I always have that cable tension that seems to be cunt hair off. I really wanted XTR but COVID said XX1 or nothing.
Back on topic, E13
LOL, Ok, BoomerNope. 10speed I run 105/ultegra or Zee/deore with 11-25 or 11-36 cassettes.
But the thing is lowly 7 & 8 speed Acera actually shift faster than 12speed XTR 9100. Although 10-45 is a slight improvement over 10-51.
12 speed's slow shifting does my head in whenever I have to ride it (SRAM or Shimano).
12 speed drivetrains shift so slowly because of the bigger gap between sprockets, taller height of the largest sprockets and the larger gap required between the mech's guide pulley and the cassette sprockets. SRAM is even slower than shimano though. This is why the largest cassette sprocket I own is a 42t on an 11spd XD cassette. I'd honestly rather push my bike than run a 51t cassette. With the tiny chainrings many riders run they're not far off walking pace in their lowest gear anyway.
You may well think that. But it doesn't. Close ratio cassettes shift faster and smoother under load. Not that I ever shift under load intentionally on any bike as its simply not the most efficient technique and continually doing so causes a shit load of drivetrain wear.
If you were to spend a decent amount of time riding a much closer ratio cassette and then swapped back to any bike with a massive range cassette you'd instantly notice the lag in shifting I'm talking about. Especially if it was to a 10-51 SRAM drivetrain.
To OP.
UK shimano distributor currently has no stock in 12spd cassettes. Desre is meant to be restocking at the end of the month. No estimated arrival date for any others.
SRAM distributors only have THE pointlessly colourful top tier eagle cassettes in stock at a retail price of one zillion UK earth pounds.
I'd guess it to be a similar story worldwide. (Except in Germany
x01 as well. buenos. no complaints. tres bien fait. only went microspline b/c xt cassettes were so much cheaper and i had the old hg on my rear hub and the nx 12sp cassette was heavy and crappy
Highly unlikely. It was like that brand new.
when i was a mechanic in college i was astounded at the number of bikes that had bent hangers straight out of the box.
I could never get SRAM Eagle to work well on my Ibis. Hanger not bent, Shimano works like a dream.
Eagle is so sensitive to the B-Screw adjustment that I think it is possible that the hanger position or chain growth on some bikes can make it impossible to tune and setup.
I also find the most effective way to adjust this is to turn the damn screw till it works good, vs. reading and trying to set it according to the specs. But again, shifting is freaking amazing compared to 10 years ago or more. If people are having problems with it still, I don't know what to say, somehow you've been left behind. I rode my bike 350 miles in the ITI with probably 10s of thousand of shifts and never once had a shifting problem. Same with basically all of my bikes...I simply never have to think about it.
My Eagle stuff works well, too. Even if the GX derailleur is as wobbly as a wet spaghetti noodle.
As much as I enjoy the XD driver and it's simplicity, I freaking hate how much a GX cassette it. So much so that I have purchased a Chinesium one and will give that a go.
As much as I enjoy the XD driver and it's simplicity, I freaking hate how much a GX cassette it. So much so that I have purchased a Chinesium one and will give that a go.
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yeah. I have picked up a few things from a shop in Arizona and didn't have to pay our 10% sales tax.
they didn’t two nights ago!
they did at lunch time, although i didn't do a deep dive to see which size ranges
yeah, sometimes it looks like they have until you tap through. For example:https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XT-CS-M8100-12-Speed-Cassette
Same goes for bb, shifter, etc. Did grab a crankset though.
That sounds horrible. I don't know how I would be able to go on if I were in your shoes.
Shimano 10 speed 11-36, 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-36
Shimano 12 speed 10-51, 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51
Damn similar down low.....
And ofc the 39-45-51 are going yo shift slower, they are physically rotating slower.....
And I shift under load all the time Yolo
Have some climbs that suck and are full of switch backs, and I like climbing fast. 8100/9100 egg me on to shift under load because they do it very quietly. I know it's not good for the casette I've got one on the shelf with nothing left for shift ramps on the 45t....
Shimano 12 speed 10-51, 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51
Damn similar down low.....
And ofc the 39-45-51 are going yo shift slower, they are physically rotating slower.....
And I shift under load all the time Yolo
Have some climbs that suck and are full of switch backs, and I like climbing fast. 8100/9100 egg me on to shift under load because they do it very quietly. I know it's not good for the casette I've got one on the shelf with nothing left for shift ramps on the 45t....