2008 marzocchi forks/roco pictures
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those Roco air shocks with the reservoir look funny. I want one!
don't really know if i'd call that emo.... but if thats what is on your mind, go right ahead!
yeah man , the 888 and a few other models sorta look like rockshox forks, that must be why they also look lighter....
and the stanchions look more like fox.
wow that sounded gay
wow that sounded gay
man they look like ****! but its all about how it rides. im glad i got an all black marzo when i did.
Air shocks look like ribbed dildos !!
The girl pics on the "Triple"8 look good..
The girl pics on the "Triple"8 look good..
...and I just went and bought (like 10 minutes ago) a 2007 66rc2x...
(still, only fools and sponsored riders put up with 1st gen product)
(still, only fools and sponsored riders put up with 1st gen product)
what are the chances of the new internals being retro-fitable with earlier versions?
For 05'-06' forks probably not... as for the 07' stuff, I have no idea.
This sounds like a job for.....
Brian Peterson!
This sounds like a job for.....
Brian Peterson!
ok - thanks.
over to you Brian! Will I be able to fit the '8 stuff into my '7 66rc2X's?
Cheers
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over to you Brian! Will I be able to fit the '8 stuff into my '7 66rc2X's?
Cheers
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Wonder if the new 888SL includes serious design flaws like last time... like being physically impossible to bottom out or use all the travel on.
Hope they redesigned the air cartridge for the better, and hopefully got rid of the stupid PAR chamber. Reading the text though, doesn't look like much has changed in that regard.
Hope they redesigned the air cartridge for the better, and hopefully got rid of the stupid PAR chamber. Reading the text though, doesn't look like much has changed in that regard.
Yup,38mm stanchions.
I'm not Brian (duh), but I don't see how the internals designed for 38mm stanchions will fit in the current models.
38mm internals in 35mm... yeh, sure it prob wont fit, but be good to know rather than speculate hey?
Also - anyone know how much weight Ti springs actually differ from steel for a 66?
Also - anyone know how much weight Ti springs actually differ from steel for a 66?
with Ti stuff you are saving about 50% of weight... what is in zoki springs case 150g... they does weight their forks with steer tube but I think without axle...
888 springs weigh ~136g each... and 50% weight saving with ti is an absolute best case scenario, so at the most you'll be able to save 136g. If you are serious about saving weight, the air forks are the only way to go. Less money wasted, more weight saved.
As for what they weigh with - their weights seem "normal" now finally. For example, the 07 888SL was weighed with steerer, bumpers, axle, and oil (like every other manufacturer has for years).
So their claim of 2910g for the new SL should be directly comparable with other brand forks assuming it's accurate.
As for what they weigh with - their weights seem "normal" now finally. For example, the 07 888SL was weighed with steerer, bumpers, axle, and oil (like every other manufacturer has for years).
So their claim of 2910g for the new SL should be directly comparable with other brand forks assuming it's accurate.
UDi not sure if your referring to the cheaper air one but you may not have read the tiny writting but the World cup is Air next year,I'm guessing it'll be the most expensive.If it's Marzocchi reliable it'll be briliant.
If you're talking about post #18 - I was talking about their 07 888SL. Reliability was nothing special (they leaked out of the air topcap if you turned them upside down), and they had a serious design flaw where the internal volume at full travel was so small that it was impossible to bottom the fork out. The stupid PAR chamber only compounded the issue, once you removed the whole chamber and associated piston things worked better.
Vitox ended up having to machine up a whole new endplug for the cartridge though, not everyone has the means to do that stuff to make a fork work.
So yeah - I think "brilliant" is being super optimistic given their poor effort last year, and it doesn't sound like they've changed much on the air spring system for the 08 model (just the chassis, stanchions, etc). Almost everyone that bought the 07 air fork on here ended up ditching them!
Definitely nice to see them pushing forward (unlike fox) but i'd certainly want to let a few fast guys and a few smart guys trial them before I bought one.
Vitox ended up having to machine up a whole new endplug for the cartridge though, not everyone has the means to do that stuff to make a fork work.
So yeah - I think "brilliant" is being super optimistic given their poor effort last year, and it doesn't sound like they've changed much on the air spring system for the 08 model (just the chassis, stanchions, etc). Almost everyone that bought the 07 air fork on here ended up ditching them!
Definitely nice to see them pushing forward (unlike fox) but i'd certainly want to let a few fast guys and a few smart guys trial them before I bought one.
What would be the weight difference in an air spring and a Ti spring though Udi? Remember that in an airspring you still need a piston, o rings etc, rather than just a spring. So maybe 100g or so but with 100% (at least) better reliability. I still lean towards coil, but I am poor, and can't afford rebuilds. I even pick up broken chains
The weights are in that link man.
For 08 it looks like 3170g for the Ti WC, and 2910g for the SL WC.
Last years weights were somewhere around 3200 and 2950 respectively. And on the boxxer it's 3082 vs 2767g.
So we're talking in the region of 250 - 315g. Remember that the 888 runs two springs, which kinda leaves it dragging behind even if it is Ti. Switching to one spring would make it cheaper and lighter (ala fox). Also, the 888WC ran two dampers (one totally unnecessary), which would easily be similar to the air cartridge - whereas the SL obviously just ran 1 damper and 1 air cart.
PS-
I've got the boxxer apart for some love at the moment, and it's got a whooping total of FOUR o-rings in the air spring, and only three of those are sliding. So cost isn't really an issue, and as long as you keep everything lubed it seems to run pretty trouble free. But that's just me - if you're more comfortable on coil, stick with it.
For 08 it looks like 3170g for the Ti WC, and 2910g for the SL WC.
Last years weights were somewhere around 3200 and 2950 respectively. And on the boxxer it's 3082 vs 2767g.
So we're talking in the region of 250 - 315g. Remember that the 888 runs two springs, which kinda leaves it dragging behind even if it is Ti. Switching to one spring would make it cheaper and lighter (ala fox). Also, the 888WC ran two dampers (one totally unnecessary), which would easily be similar to the air cartridge - whereas the SL obviously just ran 1 damper and 1 air cart.
PS-
I've got the boxxer apart for some love at the moment, and it's got a whooping total of FOUR o-rings in the air spring, and only three of those are sliding. So cost isn't really an issue, and as long as you keep everything lubed it seems to run pretty trouble free. But that's just me - if you're more comfortable on coil, stick with it.
My bad, I actually meant Fox 40, just didn't type it.
Just checked the Fox, 3090g vs 2767g for the boxxer. Thats quite a bit isn't it. More than I estimated.
If I end up getting the mojo kit my 888's will weigh approx. 2775g. You kinda put me off that though...
Just checked the Fox, 3090g vs 2767g for the boxxer. Thats quite a bit isn't it. More than I estimated.
If I end up getting the mojo kit my 888's will weigh approx. 2775g. You kinda put me off that though...
The 08 RC3 apears to run only one coil spring,can't read how many cartridges.
If anyone can read all the specs for the forks,please post it up.
If anyone can read all the specs for the forks,please post it up.
Yeah, works fine - but the marzocchi x-firm spring isn't very hard (even for a 60kg rider) so you'd need to go to another brand spring. I think people have made boxxer ones work.
Unless of course marz are making single spring forks now like NSM says - then they might have a rate hard enough.
Unless of course marz are making single spring forks now like NSM says - then they might have a rate hard enough.
Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the TST and WC rear shocks?
the TST has a different compression damping circuit, it can be adjusted from full open to full lock out, the WC has a regular adjustment range and works more on HS than the TST.
well, who knows, just speculation of course, but in 07, there is a lot of stuff in the 32mm forks you can use in the 35mm forks.
yes it has changed, i dont really know about the PAR chamber being removed, but the bottom out air volume problem will be comprehensively solved.
as for the listed weights, i have weighed maybe 10 forks of the 07 line and i have found the listed weights to be pretty accurate, in fact some have been lower in real life (not by much, but still) than listed, the air 888 for instance listed at 2950, weighed in at between 2970 and 2995 with sticker protectors and uncut steerer, so likely exactly on target, air 66 weighed in at exactly the same as listed, 2590g. 66rc2x onepointfive 2937btw (not listed)
Ah that's good to hear. I'll be interested to hear what you think once you've got a couple.
Also - is it now a seperate negative/positive air affair? I read something about that in the catalogue pic. I would have thought the "solo air" setup would have been preferable so it could auto bleed to even the pressures out in action.
I've got a brand new out of the box "works" 888 ata sl that I rode all last weekend and the travel is working on it now. Don't know what they did but it was tremendously better than my first rendition. i've 1 little kink to iron out, but it's not performance oriented.
Strange I don't see any pictures?
They must of been taken down