[captainspauldin]

With all this talk about geometry and people getting their new '10 bikes, thought it'd be cool to put a chart together for quick/easy access to all the numbers.. I created a google doc, to share the info. I only put in 1 bike, but everyone is welcome to collaborate:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tQgCrIcc1H27iDYz3tsnu9g&single=true&gid=1&output=html

EDIT: I'm going to close editing and handle additions through a form located here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dFFnQ3JJY2MxSDI3aURZejN0c251OWc6MA

 

[yuroshek]

shaun you are just to nice, dont you get paid to do other stuff at work?? man i wish i had your job!

we gotta shuttle soon.

 

[ronan]

would be interesting if you could use some of the new measurements what have come into fashion too, is it called front center? stack and reach or whatever?

 

[Total Heckler]

I wanted to add the 2010 Tomac Primer but it wont let me edit the document.

 

[Da Peach]

Got #s for the TR450 and Revolt?

 

[norbar]

I wanted to add the 2010 Tomac Primer but it wont let me edit the document.

Same here.

 

[yd35]

if i could edit, i'd be willing to punch in some figures as well. sure beats doing what i should be doing at work!

 

[captainspauldin]

hmm post up the numbers and i'll enter them in..

EDIT: Try to edit, it should work now(did for me when I tested)

 

[Total Heckler]

Tomac Primer 220 added.


Started working for me too.

 

[zdubyadubya]

i have no problems editing, but thats because i was already logged into my google account when i opened the link. maybe thats where the problems are coming from?

from my previous history with anything google based, you usually need an account to use their free apps.

 

[captainspauldin]

shaun you are just to nice, dont you get paid to do other stuff at work?? man i wish i had your job!

we gotta shuttle soon.

yeah..... but I get my work done too quick over here, gotta keep myself busy.

But yeah def. down for some shuttling.. I wanna check out belle mtn.

 

[crohnsy]

Awesome idea. Demo 8 has been added. I'll get some others Converting metric to caveman (i mean imperial) is tedious .

 

[norbar]

Strange but it suddenly started working for me. Added the production numbers for the banshee legend.

BTW. This is seriously dorkish

 

[crohnsy]

Strange but it suddenly started working for me. Added the production numbers for the banshee legend.

BTW. This is seriously dorkish

srsly. specially with a few people inputting at once...

 

[norbar]

I've got one question for the orange and morewood. Shouldn't it be bb rise not bb drop?

 

[yd35]

I've got one question for the orange and morewood. Shouldn't it be bb rise not bb drop?

the bb is above the rear axle, which would make it logically seem that it should be rise. but i don't know for sure.

 

[captainspauldin]

I've got one question for the orange and morewood. Shouldn't it be bb rise not bb drop?

yeah it should be ride.. lemme note that(kinda wish we could get compareable numbers(actual bb height)).. I threw in a Pivot tab to compare everything

 

[crohnsy]

Stack and Reach don't seem to have caught on yet....

 

[captainspauldin]

Stack and Reach don't seem to have caught on yet....

http://bikegeo.muha.cc/ can guesstimate Reach and stack..

 

[Eastern States Cup]

Great idea, sticky worthy

 

[leprechaun]

Chart says lowest/slackest position- the evil and 951 appear to be in the middle position.

 

[mattmatt86]

Looking at it now, anyone else find it weird the Demo has the shortest stays but has some of the longest wheelbases...

 

[Uncle Cliffy]

Chart says lowest/slackest position- the evil and 951 appear to be in the middle position.

I thought that the head angle on the 951 was in the slackest position at 64, but the stays are in the first position...

 

[captainspauldin]

I thought that the head angle on the 951 was in the slackest position at 64, but the stays are in the first position...

yeah feel free to fix stuff like that, I wasn't sure which to put in.

 

[Sam B]

Looking at it now, anyone else find it weird the Demo has the shortest stays but has some of the longest wheelbases...

Note the longer reach than the Trek and Transition. It is basically pretty normal geo but with the BB shifted back about 20-25mm relative to the rest of the bike. It seems strange, can't say much since I have never spent any time on one.

 

[Sam B]

I think only listing the lowest/slackest position is a bit misleading. In the case of the TR450 the chart is showing only the most aggresive geo setting, but if you did choose one of the steeper positions the bike would be right in line with a lot of the other bikes in the chart. There are 3 distinctly different settings, which position the bike differently in the market. We set the geo numbers with modern riders in mind, not expecting everyone to feel the need to instantly dump there bike into the lowest/slackest setting. Just something to think about.

 

[captainspauldin]

I think only listing the lowest/slackest position is a bit misleading. In the case of the TR450 the chart is showing only the most aggresive geo setting, but if you did choose one of the steeper positions the bike would be right in line with a lot of the other bikes in the chart. There are 3 distinctly different settings, which position the bike differently in the market. We set the geo numbers with modern riders in mind, not expecting everyone to feel the need to instantly dump there bike into the lowest/slackest setting. Just something to think about.

Understood, but I was just trying to simplify the info.. I would have to have 3 different sets of geometry for each size of each bike if the bike has 3 different settings..

 

[Killingtonvt]

Looking at it now, anyone else find it weird the Demo has the shortest stays but has some of the longest wheelbases...

The Jedi actually has shorter stays, 16.25, but wheel base is almost 3 inches shorter static. Of course you have to factor in the 2.5" of rearward...

Interesting read for sure!!!

 

[bansheefr]

Great Idea and well executed. I thought about doing this for the 3-4 bikes I am looking at for next season but never got around to it.... Thanks!

I am assuming we are going by the published geometry... Which will vary based on the axle to crown height of the fork, most companies should have this on their website... Is it worth making another column? Or is the difference so small it doesn't matter?

 

[joelsman]

SamB is saying the bike has adjustable geometry, not different between sizes, this is important info if someone is looking for something specific. sounds like there are several bikes that need a line for each setting.

 

[yd35]

I think only listing the lowest/slackest position is a bit misleading.

nonsense. i thought everyone knew that MOAR is better!

 

[Fred.dh]

i insert some numbers too...

 

[IH8Rice]

i did too and some douche was nice enough to delete them as i was adding them

 

[Dox]

2010 bikes and the sunday is there!?
We should stay with 2010 only or there will be confusion on there.

Edit: The shared spreadsheet idea is AWSOME! Thanks.

Edit 2:Someone just added: for comparison purposes. I think that is a good thing considering the sunday is kinda the benchmark for a lot or people.

 

[captainspauldin]

i did too and some douche was nice enough to delete them as i was adding them

yeah that's the only issue, I've been backing it up in case somebody decides to delete everything..

 

[gonefirefightin]

no turners?

 

[crohnsy]

maybe after initial setup, can you set access for only certain people?

People wanting to use it as a reference don't need to be able to edit it..

 

[captainspauldin]

maybe after initial setup, can you set access for only certain people?

People wanting to use it as a reference don't need to be able to edit it..

Yeah, sure can. Wanted to get in as much stuff as possible first..

 

[crohnsy]

Does the Turner count to be on the list? I thought production was delayed due to bearing durability?

 

[djjohnr]

I posted this awhile back - Bike Geometry Formulas

Download the spreadsheet and input some basic geo info (common to all bike company sites - effective TT, head angle etc) and it'll spit out front to center, front to bar standing, and reach among other things. You can also save the sheet back up on the site with your inputs, just post the link to the updated sheet in a thread.