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2014 fury? Input?

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  1. birdman2447

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    Anyone have info on the 2014 fury? Anyone seen one in person? A good friend at an lbs is trying to get me to pull the trigger and order one. I have been riding a 2010 fury for the last 3 seasons but its time for a frame with more modern geo. The carbon fury has been great, but seeing Lorenzo's crash when he destroys the frame is something else. However Kyle Strait did huck the crap outa one at the rampage
     

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    Lorenzo was on a special edition lightened frame made for the worlds. Also I'm pretty sure you aren't planning 10' hucks to flat at 50kph so you are safe anyway.
     
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    You are probably the only person who believes that nonsense.

    To reiterate: Granted I'd give my ballsack to be able to ride like him, he's a top 20 rider at best, with zero to buggerall chance to win the world champs.

    So they are wanting us to believe, that they built a "one-off" bike, for the rider in question, AND then proceed to allow him to ride the "one-off" lightened bike, down a proper gnarly course weeks later, in stead of giving this super important rider, just another production model?

    Santa claus lives and jesus saves.
     
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    they look long, which is nice to see, but I still don't dig on the almost-urt.
     
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    yeah can't believe anyone bought that story plus the frame that snapped had the colour sheme of a production bike. Makes zero sense to make a special proto for worlds and then paint it like the production model.
     
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    ... and let it ride by a top 20 guy with no chance to win.
    There was another story about damages on the frame though and he still decided to ride it. Maybe that was the cause for that catastrophic failure.
     
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    Or they make a few special frames for worlds and give to their athletes. I doubt GT cares if they make 3, 4 or 5 prototype frames. But I suspect that a rider that "barely" makes top 20 will continue to run his one "one off" frame if he thinks it is better than his old bike, regardless of the risk of it snapping.

    Doubt Suding is high on the GT priority list, so I guess he just threw the dice on keep on running a less strog frame. Doubt even such a prototype should do that under normal circumstances. Which is why I believe in the story that his frame was not exactly good to go when he rolled out of the start hut that day.
     
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    Who cares really. Any frame would have snapped on that hit but of course it's ridemonket so 888's are not freeride anymore because they snap on rampage.
     
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    Where 2014 production bikes even ready by the time Lorenzo snapped his?
     
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    Well not only Lorenzo hit that gap but only time will tell. The good thing about the internet is that you really get to know the weak points of some frame designs. It's like the 951 or the ghost dh. You see them snapped headtube-pics and two years later there is a recall from the manufacturer...





    sometimes you even get it on video:

     
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    Watch the video, come back and tell me Lorenzo landed perfectly. Most riders who hit it landed it good. He hit it like a sack of potatos.
     
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    Some interesting points were brought up, I come from a background in mechanical engineering so issues like frame failure really gets me thinking. I know there are certain frame fatigue tests the manufactures do, do any of you guys know if there are industry standards that have to be met especially for gravity bikes? I am guessing there isn't. A quick google search and al i could find was this

    http://www.astm.org/Standards/F2711.htm

    It just seems to me that if a company can produce the frame and run a few general tests that it goes oout to consumers. I am sure how ever certain manufactures have there own standards. I know that specialized has some of there own testing standards.

    Getting back to the broken fury. I would be very surprised if Lorenzo's frame was some sorta one off worlds frame. Hes not on the top of the GT pecking order. Even if its a GT prototype, i would be surprised if it even that. As the 2014 furys are supposed to be ready for shipping very soon and it has 2014 color scheme. I think the more likely failure reason is damage that occurred to the frame during shipping as discussed before. The Athertons have probably put it through its paces. But as hard as Gee rides I bet he dose not put the bike through it paces as hard as some 250lb goon on a rental bike at whistler who's running springs for a 180lb rider. It will be interesting too see how there frames hold up. I have been riding a carbon fury since they came out and that thing is built like a tank. The downtube is 12mm think, maybe GT should stick to carbon or stop trying to win the weight war with a super light alloy frame.

    We need some Doc back building some super sick steel frames...
     
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    Yes and no. Without mistakes some top pros may be lighter on their bikes but when you go this fast and this big mistakes hurt you and your frame way more. Look at the video of the crash then ask yourself if there is ever a chance to duplicate that. I did some fairly big mistakes in my time but if you look at WC and freeride video crashes you see those guys have the capability to hurt their gear way more than we do.


    As for testing stuff I like what banshee does with their open testing program. They select 50 riders with not all of them being pro. They get their frame for production cost and they give feedback. They also get a discount on a production frame. That makes it more possible to rule out the stupid stuff regular riders do
     
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    Ever the optimist!

    You can bet that GT have since gone back to production and reinforced that headtube area. If that had happened to a consumer then they could wave the DH market goodbye. I reckon they've dodged a bullet there.

    If they haven't then no matter - I'm not buying one! :D
     
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    Maybe I'm being overly gullible, but I have no difficulty believing that he might possibly have had a crash the week earlier, caused a dent/crack/stress problem and then have it break there when he massively overloaded it a week later. Hell, I don't even have too much trouble believing that GT built a couple lightweight protos, threw em out to their riders, and he wasn't high on the pecking order and didn't get to have a new frame right away just because he crashed his the week before.

    And you never know who's gonna win. I don't think too many people would have bet on Remi taking a win before this year, because his normal results are midpack. Same with Beaumont - he's all over the board.
     
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    Hey man, I ride an Evil - I'm the f*ckin poster boy for optimism! :D
    Doesn't stop me from being a cynic though.
     
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    this is why Ridemonkey is so funny. People flipping out about a frame that snapped, with no information on previous damage or even details on the frame, all the while having NONE of the ability to hit anything even close to the gap that broke the frame in the first place.


    Its like most of you worrying about breaking an ankle on an NBA rim off an ally-oop dunk.
     
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    Two good friends rode it. They said it was one of the worst frames they'd ever ridden.
     
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    They say why?
     
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    Yes.

    They said that it is the least nimble bike they'd tried. Said it makes sense that Gee could win on it, point down and plow, but that it wasn't fun and controllable compared to regular DH race bikes like the Session, DeVinci, V10.
     
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    Makes sense. Wonder if the geo will be adjustable on the production bike so you can tone down the WC specific feel?
     
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    different styles for different folk. The GT has a really long wheelbase and top tube, plus slack HA, sounds perfect for a taller rider.

    Kyle strait just proved how nimble and strong the frame is at Rampage
     
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    This thread has gone full retard and it's going to stay that way until ska Todd or someone else from GT or on the inside comes on here with the truth.

    About the bike it's self, does it ride like a dog turd? I can't answer that. What I did ride it and said it rides like school bus full or retards? Then what? Who the hell am I? Gee probably loves the bike, I'm pretty sure he decides how how the numbers are going to work.
     
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    "Point down and plow". That sounds like a regular, ideal RACE bike to me.
     
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    The teamrobot blog pretty much sums up exactly what happened here.

    There were a handful of pre-pro frames made that ran lighter tubing. Some of these were painted in Atherton livery, others were painted as "production bikes" and used for studio shoots and trade shows. (As often happens across the industry for bikes that are scarce.)

    One of these frames was passed onto 360 Team for Lorenzo to use for the end of the season. Said frame was used at a couple events and then apparently damaged either in transit to or during day 1 in Norway. It was examined by GT's mechanic who advised it not to be ridden, but instead it was ridden and it broke.

    Production frames use some thicker tubing. 2nd gen samples and team frames moving forward from late spring moved into a ticker tubeset. Athertons won World Cups. Strait won Rampage. Other riders in the GT family rallied these all summer without issue. I'm not stoked that Lorenzo broke a frame but I'm fully confident in the bike and the engineers behind it.

    GT makes no qualms about the fact that the MY14 Fury is a race bike with race geometry. If you don't like low/long/fast you might not get along with this bike, or should consider riding a size smaller w/ a longer stem. The size L is Gee's bike. Size M is Rach & Marc. Size S is Tay. Size XS…well, that's pretty friggin tiny.

    I don't come round these part much anymore. If you have any further questions hit me on twitter and I'll try to get back at ya.

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    Excellent. Thanks for the info, the carbon fury was great bike for the last 3 season and I can't wait to ride the MY14 for next season.
     
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    Nuff said
     
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    That makes way more sense than production frames being ready so early.

    Also, while standing by your geo shows conviction, wouldn't some adjustability broaden your potential customer base?
     
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    How do you adjust TT length? Because that's what new on the fury?
     
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    Buying the smaller frame?
     
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    You can play a little with frame reach by adjusting Your fork height ;) Anyway, those frames are huge.
     
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    also, for clarification: water still wet, todd still likes ska
     
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    I checked the 2014 Fury reach whit geo calcualator http://bikegeo.muha.cc/ and the reach numbers shown in Pinkbike review does not match at all whit the calculator http://www.pinkbike.com/news/GT-Fury-Tested.html

    The calculator seems to give correct numbers for example to Norco Aurum. So now I do know, should I believe the Pinkbike reach numbers or the Calculator?

    Does somebody know the real reach numbers of 2014 Fury?

    I am 5.7 and cannot decide, medium or small...
     
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    The stack/reach numbers of DH bikes are variable based on the adjustability of a dual crown fork. This will account for the differences between published and calculated measurements.

    -ska todd
     
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    Ok, I see. So Fox 40 has minimum fork height as 571mm => reach for Medium fury 451mm , but Fury's geo is calculated whit about 600mm fork height => reach 438mm.

    It is quite misleading that GT does not say which fork height was used to get the geo numbers.

    Is it even possible to run Fox whit 571 height as the Fury's stem is so short that handlebar may touch the fork stanchions?
     
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    I am with you on the size. I am 510 and went with the med. I will have it in ten days and can comment on the size the. All I know is the cockpit and wheelbase is much larger than te carbon generation of furys I was on before. I rode a med 2011 fury and it felt a tad small so I think the med with the new geo should feel spot on.

    I will post some pics of it and let you know how the sizing feels. ar your height you are prob right on the line of a small or med. in the past have you felt better on a bigger or smaller bike? I ordered the 2nd cheapest build of it and plan to upgrade most of it.