[bullcrew]

Got a fox float x2 2021 version slapped it on a 2011 951 im rocking (and loving the 951 not cause of shock but way it rides lol)...
Anyhow I have had 2 rides and haven't hit lots of jumps yet or super nasty just some doll head and super rocky chutes...seems to do well, I need to play with the settings for park use and jumps..

Have a 2018 boxxer wc with avy cart on front, has race stack so its a bit stiffer but corners amazing and handles nasty crap well..

Can stick it on the m9 next if need be

I dont have enough time to make an educated decision, I'm not a placebo type of guy..love trying new stuff. But also like to hear thoughts so I can pay attention to those items and see what my experience is.

Fox apparently changed it up for 2021..I read all the differences and changes but don't mean squat to me since I wasn't riding last year...

Just curious what the take is on it compared to other shocks...

 

[djjohnr]

I haven't tried the 2021 X2, but I've owned previous versions of both the X2 and DHX2, and have a 2021 DHX2. What I've found on the 2021 DHX2 is that I'm able to get more support without as much small bump sacrifice as there was on previous versions.

 

[bullcrew]

I haven't tried the 2021 X2, but I've owned previous versions of both the X2 and DHX2, and have a 2021 DHX2. What I've found on the 2021 DHX2 is that I'm able to get more support without as much small bump sacrifice as there was on previous versions.

I had a ccdb on it and decided I wanted more pop from this bike for jumping and whipping around...
I do have all 3 spacers in it , it now only handles 3 in the 9.5x3 ...

I wanted some pop off jumps and hits, more lively feel...

I havent played with it alot yet still working on comp and reb settings to dial it in..

Any tips are appreciated or thoughts on it

Yeah it held line pushing down rear hard, hit a rock mid berm and it soaked it up well without deviating line...it does have a grest small bump compliance on chatter...better than my fork lol..but fork is valved for high speed and mid valve.

 

[Westy]

I had a ccdb on it and decided I wanted more pop from this bike for jumping and whipping around...
I do have all 3 spacers in it , it now only handles 3 in the 9.5x3 ...

I wanted some pop off jumps and hits, more lively feel...

I havent played with it alot yet still working on comp and reb settings to dial it in..

Any tips are appreciated or thoughts on it

Yeah it held line pushing down rear hard, hit a rock mid berm and it soaked it up well without deviating line...it does have a grest small bump compliance on chatter...better than my fork lol..but fork is valved for high speed and mid valve.

Mine is a 2019 and on a different bike but for more pop I had to remove spacers and add pressure. Turned a wallowy bike into a playful one.

 

[bullcrew]

Mine is a 2019 and on a different bike but for more pop I had to remove spacers and add pressure. Turned a wallowy bike into a playful one.

I'll hit jump rock line small run
Pull the spacers out leave tunung where its at to get a baseline feel between just volume spacers..thats good to know.

I have air at 280 it kicks out a bit on rebound mid speed...so I dialed back slow speed and clicked high speed a couple added some slow speed to deaden it...definently not a 1 and done, don't know much about it so pretty blind setting so far..

Yes I know "put time on it and dial it" that will happen just gathering ideas to give me options for what may help..

What I'm shooting for is a smoother light feelin first part of travel (avoid as much bob as possible) but ramp a bit for jumps...I'll dial it more towards park and hits...with as much towards chatter and rocks as possible before it takes away from park use...

Not my usuall set up...

 

[marshalolson]

Hey @bullcrew-

With the ‘21 Fox suspension, and as a bigger human myself (225), I have found to start by maxing out the High speed Rebound (VCC). It essentially is adjustable valving. Then I start with the low speed adjustment open, and close it accordingly by bracketing the low speed.

 

[bullcrew]

Hey @bullcrew-

With the ‘21 Fox suspension, and as a bigger human myself (225), I have found to start by maxing out the High speed Rebound (VCC). It essentially is adjustable valving. Then I start with the low speed adjustment open, and close it accordingly by bracketing the low speed.

Just did a little run on kitty litter corners, rock garden and 3 small jumps ...messed with it a bit..did not go full closed but ill go back out later and crank high-speed in when I'm not so pissed....hit a berm and the bike went opposite and high side...tried to come out on me, I think too much low speed was allowing it to get too light on front to dive...felt like a total newbie...(didn't sleep well last night and achey tendons and joints from Olympic lifting and training)

RANT!!!!
Plus some @$$hat dug the step up out completely got rid of it and kicker jump out at the bottom of trail.


I'll give the all on hsr and off on lsr...

How is your comp set up??? Also what bike are you on...mine ramps up last bit I may take it to the 8.5 hole and allow some wallowing then dial in compression more..let the bikes curve naturally ramp up...

 

[marshalolson]

Epic blog bro

For me, I was mostly in the middle of hi and low compression. I settle the low speed right where I like it, leave it there, and then use High speed more “mostly open” for slow speed tech “middle” for most riding, and “mostly closed” for bike park.

Rode this on a GG Gnarvana (160mm). ~250psi.

Stoked to see you back posting and riding again

 

[iRider]

I had a ccdb on it and decided I wanted more pop from this bike for jumping and whipping around...
I do have all 3 spacers in it , it now only handles 3 in the 9.5x3 ...

I wanted some pop off jumps and hits, more lively feel...

Is this the 26" 951? That frame is crazy progressive and you run an air shock with spacers?

 

[bullcrew]

Epic blog bro

For me, I was mostly in the middle of hi and low compression. I settle the low speed right where I like it, leave it there, and then use High speed more “mostly open” for slow speed tech “middle” for most riding, and “mostly closed” for bike park.

Rode this on a GG Gnarvana (160mm). ~250psi.

Stoked to see you back posting and riding again

LoL..smart ass

Do you mainly tweak high speed compression only after rebound is pretty well set???I know its terrain dependant but I'm mainly hsc...

I've always set it middle ground and adjusted riding to accommodate the remainder either way...I hate messing with stuff but ill give that a shot...what the hell,,might as well...

Aside of bigger drops to rocks or hard ass landings then I up the high speed compression a bit.
Ie urban riding mainly...
Thanks man....gives me one more to to mess with...

Yeah glad to be back riding, going to focus on just loving the ride and adrenaline and less on constant equipment change...I did 2nd ride manage to damage the rear triangle left side pretty bad..dented and almost gashed it on a rock garden..but don't care lol gonna rock it till it fails...

4 decent rides so far, rolled 1 rear tire and ripped it in a rock garden g-out, dented rear triangle, smoked brakes to pad failure, dented front and 2 rear wheels (729 and ex 823, 1 won't hold tubeless even bent back in)...its been awesome so far.....I am having more fun this time around...

 

[bullcrew]

Is this the 26" 951? That frame is crazy progressive and you run an air shock with spacers?

Yes....I'm pulling spacers out going to set it in 8.5 position and proceed from there....I managed to blow through the travel earlier on a hit....it almost bottomed out so between the 2 changes and then adjusting HSR...it should be decent...

I already took into account the rise at the end of the curve based on the gen 1 951 frames...I'd like a evo but till I destroy this frame I want to have a good time first.....besides I have a 14 m9 that I love... so this bike I can afford time to play with...

Also why I put what frame it was on post to see if the rise of the vpp and air shock can play well together.id anyone had tips..or additional tuning ideas.. to see where I can tune from...

I have options and other shocks in the box...just wanted to play with this and see...the 2021 caught my interest...

 

[jstuhlman]

Yes....I'm pulling spacers out going to set it in 8.5 position and proceed from there....I managed to blow through the travel earlier on a hit....it almost bottomed out so between the 2 changes and then adjusting HSR...it should be decent...

I already took into account the rise at the end of the curve based on the gen 1 951 frames...I'd like a evo but till I destroy this frame I want to have a good time first.....besides I have a 14 m9 that I love... so this bike I can afford time to play with...

Also why I put what frame it was on post to see if the rise of the vpp and air shock can play well together.id anyone had tips..or additional tuning ideas.. to see where I can tune from...

I have options and other shocks in the box...just wanted to play with this and see...the 2021 caught my interest...

hey man i rode an uzzi for years as my "one" bike...same progressive nature as the 951. always ran a coil on it. it rocked that way. maybe modern air shocks are better at addressing the issues. but i'd def throw some kind of a coil on there...

 

[iRider]

hey man i rode an uzzi for years as my "one" bike...same progressive nature as the 951. always ran a coil on it. it rocked that way. maybe modern air shocks are better at addressing the issues. but i'd def throw some kind of a coil on there...

The Uzzi is nowhere near as progressive as the 951.

 

[iRider]

Yes....I'm pulling spacers out going to set it in 8.5 position and proceed from there...

The shorter travel position is what you want on that frame. The 8.5 makes it too wallowy IMO.
Kovarik rode his in the short setting all the time as far as I know.

 

[jstuhlman]

The Uzzi is nowhere near as progressive as the 951.

all the more reason!!!

 

[iRider]

 

[bullcrew]

hey man i rode an uzzi for years as my "one" bike...same progressive nature as the 951. always ran a coil on it. it rocked that way. maybe modern air shocks are better at addressing the issues. but i'd def throw some kind of a coil on there...

Had a ccdb on there with a 600lb and it still sat low and wallowed a bit much...I wanted a bit more pop and jumping out if it...I did like the ccdb on it...the SOB swallowed tops of jumps and rocks it was glued to ground....but big moto style jumps I could t preload as hard as I wanted to and get bumped up high...

..

 

[bullcrew]

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Man the fro takes a different path compared to the other 2...didn't realize it was not as ramped

 

[bullcrew]

The shorter travel position is what you want on that frame. The 8.5 makes it too wallowy IMO.
Kovarik rode his in the short setting all the time as far as I know.

Figured 8.5 more linear less ramp matched with progressive nature of air might work out...uses it has the same curve at end which then beginning and mid stroke would only benefit change...

I'll search and see if t heres a 8" and a 8.5 curve to side by side

 

[marshalolson]

LoL..smart ass

Do you mainly tweak high speed compression only after rebound is pretty well set???I know its terrain dependant but I'm mainly hsc...

I've always set it middle ground and adjusted riding to accommodate the remainder either way...I hate messing with stuff but ill give that a shot...what the hell,,might as well...

Aside of bigger drops to rocks or hard ass landings then I up the high speed compression a bit.
Ie urban riding mainly...
Thanks man....gives me one more to to mess with...

Yeah glad to be back riding, going to focus on just loving the ride and adrenaline and less on constant equipment change...I did 2nd ride manage to damage the rear triangle left side pretty bad..dented and almost gashed it on a rock garden..but don't care lol gonna rock it till it fails...

4 decent rides so far, rolled 1 rear tire and ripped it in a rock garden g-out, dented rear triangle, smoked brakes to pad failure, dented front and 2 rear wheels (729 and ex 823, 1 won't hold tubeless even bent back in)...its been awesome so far.....I am having more fun this time around...

Yup, I think you are looking at it right. Just to summarize my suggestion

1. Start middle-ish LSC and HSC + closed HSR and open LSR.
2. Adjust LSR and LSC to get right blend of traction and support, while eliminating harshness. “Bracketing” is helpful to find a good setting faster.
3. Open HSR if LSR is too slow
4. Make big adjustments to HSC once everything else is dialed in for terrain.

Anyhow, that is his how it worked well for me on that shock (on a different bike)!

 

[jonKranked]

Is this the 26" 951? That frame is crazy progressive and you run an air shock with spacers?

Can confirm... Bullcrew is a big dude and rides hard.

 

[iRider]

 

[bullcrew]

Yup, I think you are looking at it right. Just to summarize my suggestion

1. Start middle-ish LSC and HSC + closed HSR and open LSR.
2. Adjust LSR and LSC to get right blend of traction and support, while eliminating harshness. “Bracketing” is helpful to find a good setting faster.
3. Open HSR if LSR is too slow
3. Make big adjustments to HSC once everything else is dialed in for terrain.

Anyhow, that is his how it worked well for me on that shock!



3.

Just pulled air can I had only 1 spacer in there...so not sure how much

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Man that is a difference between the 2...I set it 8.5 and back to 8"..to get it right sag I had 300lbs and 8" I had to go to 280...this frame does like to ramp...

Wish it were more.linear to begin with first 1/3 and less ramp...I like the curve of the evo....

But ill dial what I have and find a good setting or as close as I can get...it does kill nasty rocks though....as well as ita playfully in em, bump ass end around and bank off other rocks to change direction...that i do like about it...at speed it rips through junk....

Thanks for the input and curves (to everyone so far) it helps me get an idea of what I'm dealing with....without internally building a stack ill try different settings and dial it in...

 

[bullcrew]

Can confirm... Bullcrew is a big dude and rides hard.

Working on it...

 

[buckoW]

Working on it...

What happened to the Canfield?

 

[jonKranked]

What happened to the Canfield?

Getting hammered down rocks. I used to ride with bullcrew when I lived in socal.

 

[bullcrew]

What happened to the Canfield?

Sold everything shortly after a head injury and TBI...that helmet i exploded saved my life but was left with some aftermath...

 

[bullcrew]

Getting hammered down rocks. I used to ride with bullcrew when I lived in socal.

Just a few frames not just the jedi fell victim (first rear triangles and couple cracks on different frames) to rocks lmao...and bad landings...best was a rm7 back in the day.(2 pieces with pivots hanging) ...then of course buddy ripped the front end and head tube clean off his 951 lol....

I do like canfield bikes (some of the best built bikes if ridden) , especially when I was up north in the rocks....plus i like chris and the guys...super good people and straight answers..

We had a good time jon....a really good time...we will be at tamarack and Brundage this summer in idaho...for a few weeks and some local spots backside of mccall, make homage to Mt Spokane and do the lines at old double down ho down spot (original beacon bomber)....need to get you there...

 

[buckoW]

Sold everything shortly after a head injury and TBI...that helmet i exploded saved my life but was left with some aftermath...

Glad you are back!

Getting hammered down rocks. I used to ride with bullcrew when I lived in socal.

Nice! I bet those were fun times.

 

[jonKranked]

Nice! I bet those were fun times.

definitely some great times.

 

[bullcrew]

definitely some great times.

Lol like trying to chase Bobby Root off the mountain at idyl wild...he's manualing all the rock chutes lol and still pulling away

 

[jonKranked]

Lol like trying to chase Bobby Root off the mountain at idyl wild...he's manualing all the rock chutes lol and still pulling away

were you on the ride when i almost got bit on the ass by a rattlesnake?

 

[bullcrew]

were you on the ride when i almost got bit on the ass by a rattlesnake?

I think I was....and I can't remember which one of you guys put s foot down almost on a rattler.. lol

 

[jonKranked]

I think I was....and I can't remember which one of you guys put s foot down almost on a rattler.. lol

this particular day we were shuttling SJT and I had overindulged on tequila the night before. ha!

 

[bullcrew]

this particular day we were shuttling SJT and I had overindulged on tequila the night before. ha!

Yes....lol

I love that trail for all out speed and getting light on the rear tire...that is not a hangover ride lol....the sweaty smell of alcohol will follow...lol

 

[bullcrew]

Have you seen the recommended settings for the float x2 and air pressure lol..damn near choked off on all adjusters as a start point.

 

[Lelandjt]

When the 951 came out its signature trait was a very progressive (for the time?) suspension. I'm curious how it feels compared to modern bikes. When my 2018 Capra came out it was also noted for being very progressive. I couldn't get full travel with a DPX shock but it was amazing with a coil DHX2.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

When the 951 came out its signature trait was a very progressive (for the time?) suspension. I'm curious how it feels compared to modern bikes. When my 2018 Capra came out it was also noted for being very progressive. I couldn't get full travel with a DPX shock but it was amazing with a coil DHX2.

Thanks to my armchair engineering skills, in other words, this is purely internet based speculation: the 951 has basically a flat leverage curve for the 3/4th of the stroke. The last 1/4th of the stroke is a massive wall of progression. See here (wheel force and wheel rate curves) https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2013/08/intense-951-evo-2013.html?m=1

The capra on the other hand has a more steadily increasing wheel rate which should yield more support and more predictability than the 951.

 

[bullcrew]

7 foot down 20 foot out to almost flat...found some adjustment needed in high speed compression on my suspension lol...
Took my kid out to a local spot and then hit a cut out at a construction site we spotted by MB dealership...
It was a steep slope (so if kai came up short he's be ok) with a kicker at top which was perfect to teach my 13yr old how to gap and push through a landing at speed...he hit it and damn near cleared it...

 

[englertracing]

7 foot down 20 foot out to almost flat...found some adjustment needed in high speed compression on my suspension lol...
Took my kid out to a local spot and then hit a cut out at a construction site we spotted by MB dealership...
It was a steep slope (so if kai came up short he's be ok) with a kicker at top which was perfect to teach my 13yr old how to gap and push through a landing at speed...he hit it and damn near cleared it...

Helmet?
Is that shock actually a 2021?
Looks like a <2020