21.5" or 22" TT on Blk Mrkt Riot?

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  1. ClevelandRiot

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    I am ordering an '08 Blk Mrkt Riot frame but cannot decide on a size. I haven't seen anyone with one where I live, so I can't test any out. I'm 5'8", 5'9" with shoes on, have a 30" inseam, and a mountain biking background. I assumed the 21.5" TT would be fine, but after checking that size against the regular or medium sizes of other dirt jump frames, I'm not so sure anymore. It seems most dirt jump frame TTs are closer to 22". What do you guys think? I know it's only .5" difference, but there must be a reason Blk Mrkt chose those 2 sizes. Thanks for your help.
     
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    DirtEveryDay Turbo Monkey

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    I'm 5'8" and loved my 21.5". Strangely enough it seemed just fine when it got technical. But I was purely street on it, no dirt.
     
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    501 Chimp

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    i like the 21.5 tt on mine i'm 5'10"
     
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    Thanks for the replies. I feel more confident in going with the 21.5" now that I have some feedback.
     
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    FYI, I just got my 22" Blk Mrkt and it fits me very well (I am 5'11"). The 21.5 should be fine for you, but one thing I was not excited about was my size 10 shoes get in the way of doing x-ups, a trick I have never had issues doing on my mtb's. In the past I have had a Letoy, and Evil, Elli specialist, Brooklyn Park bike, and several other nice frames, all with similar tt's and this is the first one to connect with my toe. I guess what I'm saying is since you are smaller then me if you had a 22 perhaps that wouldn't be an issue, but it might with a 21.5. I also do x-ups towards my forward foot so that creates another problem, but if you tweak them you'll hit either way.

    Sorry, just rambling, but I ran into the problem yesterday and was a little frustrated.
     
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  6. Urban Bandit

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    ive got a 21.5..
    im about 5'8'' and its not too bad. you gotta make sure your over the back wheel when throwing the bars, but its a great feeling frame. i cant imagine much difference between the two sizes regarding feeling
     
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    I can't stand the smaller black market frames.

    Even with 170 cranks, I nailed my pedal on x-ups.

    Gotta remember how short Carter Holland is :D
     
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    i contacted Carter i while back about this and his response was basically that if you want to be able to do barspins and x-ups with no problems then you may want to get the 22 but then again if you are a midget like i am at 5'5 i opted for the 21.5 and feel confortable with it. I cant do bar spins though but can do x-ups with no problems on it.
     
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    Shorter cranks, I never thought about that. Or smaller wheels. I am toying with the 24 concept. What are the rest of you running cranks? I think I have 175's (Profile), not really sure I want to go any smaller especially on a SS).
     
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    I've ridden both sizes and REALLY liked the larger frame. It was one of the most comfortable dirtjump frames I've ever ridden. And it's not 'big' by any means.

    I'm also only 5'8" ish.
     
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    After all of your replies, my thinking now is that a 22" TT can't feel that much different from a 21.5" in terms of flickability and overall handling, but might provide that extra bit of clearance for x-ups and bar spins. I mean, will I really notice .5" when spinning and jumping? The crank length issue is now something I have to consider. 170 or 175mm?
     
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    Do you know anybody with one of these things? A test ride tells more than a bunch of people on the internet.


    I'm riding a specialized 07 P. frame right now and to me it feels VERY similar to the 22" mob frame for what it's worth......


    I always run 170s on my dj bike. A little more foot clearance and less leverage to bend cranks.
     
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    don't put 24's on a blk mrkt frame, it'll ride really low. they are designed to shred with 26's.

    oh, and im a fairly big guy at over 6ft. with longish legs and 170 profiles feel good.
     
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    I have not seen anyone riding a Riot or a Mob at my local park, which is why I have posted this question. I would love to test one out, but I'm also getting anxious to start building, so I thought I'd see what other people's opinions are. Thanks for your help.
     
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    I run a 21.5 TT and I am 5'9" (on a good day). I run 175mm SAINT cranks with no issues (not a bar spinner), but 170's are going on (got some new Deity cranks)...where are you buying your frame?
     
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    Go With The 22 Inch Top Tube. I Run A 22.5 Top Tube And It Is Awesome But I Like Bigger Bikes Even Though I Am Only 5'8. Small Bikes Are Easy To Three But For Trails The Bigger Big Handles Better. I Run 175mm Saint Cranks
     
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    anybody know if a 21.5 would fit me because Im 5'2 and Im really short. I will probly run 175mm cranks. Will I still be able to do x ups and what not?
     
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    I'm 6'5 and have the 21.5tt and haven’t had any issues with it I also don't throw bar spins. I haven't had an issue with my front foot hitting the wheel at all turning or anything with a foot forward but I also ride on the balls of my feet.(size 14 feet). I had 170mm truvativ cranks but now I have some 175mm primos and haven't jumped with them yet but haven't had any issues just riding around in the neighborhood. I just went outside and to get the front wheel to hit my foot I have to have the heel of my foot on the pedal, this is with size 14 etnies cali cuts and crankbros 50/50s and 17mm prim cranks. Riding with my regular feet postion there is no reason I would hit my feet with either foot foward and level with each other.
     
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    Im starting to get scared when all of these people from like 5'6 to6'5 say the 21.5 fits them fine. Im only 5'1or 5'2. Will it fit me fine too?
     
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    I don't know, my one friend rode it and he is 5'4 and he did fine on it, he asked if they ahd an extra small though. His main bike is a small bottle rocket which he rides good and jumps good on. Heck I mean thres people tall as me that ride 20's regularly and I have before I just prefer 26'
     
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    i'm 5'10 and have plenty of room on a 22" mob.....

    I don't do bar spins, but x-ups are no problem...

    I don't think I'd be comfortable on the 21.5 myself.

    my toes are fairly close to my front wheel, but has not been a issue.

    I agree with kidwoo, the blk mrkt frames are among the most comfortable geometry available in a dj frame in my opinion.