Cameron Cole will be rocking one of those at a few Euro races I believe before he comes home and Gets either Silver or Gold in Juniors at the worlds, If he gets Silver, that ok cos it'll be another Kiwi getting the gold anyways.sayndesyn said:wouldn't you destroy that bike the first big rock you nailed with the rear wheel that is bigger than a foot or so? Looks like a horrible flaw unless the bike is just for xtreme singletrack
Roholff hub in the frame, been that way since about 99.DHCorky said:What kind of drivetrain does that bike run? The only drivetrain part I can see in the picture is a left side crank arm.
well there team riders finsihed 1st and 2nd in the NZ nat series this year, so yeah pretty decent.BRM said:Has anyone actually seen one on a trail or race course? Nice too see some engineering going on but lets see it in action.
using two shocks has nothing to do with travel, rather it has a variable axle path using a 6 bar linkage; with 6 bars you need two shocks. They obviously werent interested in making just another 8-10" travel rig...ridiculous said:1. why two shocks, air shocks at that. there are plenty of bikes on the market now that get 8-10" of travel on a single shock.
looks heavy ?! and whats with that stuff on rear-it look like it will brake if you hit rock or bottom the rear shock..-scary-xy9ine said:whoa - check out the new lahar! crazyness:
now thats saying somethingdw said:WHOA! That Lahar is crazy!
the gouges on my e.13 guard and scratches on my bb shell tell me that I *definitely* shouldn't ride that bike. jeez, you case one rock and...Downhiller said:and whats with that stuff on rear-it look like it will brake if you hit rock or bottom the rear shock..
It's just a frame-mounted Rohloff, under all that carbon.RaID said:i too would like to see more of the drivetrain and how it works
good to see someone throwing something completely else in the ballpark
I've *heard* the top shock doesn't bottom too much. But the last thing I want while railing a corner or in the middle of a rockgarden is my first shock to bottom and get all thrown off line.dhpimp said:I love these 2-stage bikes. Been looking into them for a while.The two shocks make a lot of sense for long travel application (8+").
2 pivots, 2 small shocks that still give you a good leverage ratio - less than 3:1.
My only concern would be that it looks like you have to bottom out the top shock in order to activate the lower shock. You'd end up having to service that upper shock quite frequently. Hrmmm.....
Anyone have any experience on these? The concept is to have a stable platform bike based on design, but on their Elite9 they use a Swinger 4-way w/SPV ?? Too many questions...
Are they implying that their suspension design actually has a stable platform built in?The 2Stage suspension system (international patents pending) is a stable platform design - derived mechanically,
i guess they are trying to say the 'primary linkage' (or the 4 bar portion) is design around good pedalling and the 'secondary' (the extra 2 bars to make six) when activated is for the bighit duties. Of course high single pivots do this with only one barbinary visions said:Are they implying that their suspension design actually has a stable platform built in?
the best thing about having two shocks is the "AREA".binary visions said:I
The 2 stages like they indicate are, IMO, stupid. You don't want the second shock setup super hard and the first shock setup super soft, so that they activate one after the other. You want them to work in harmony so that they provide that "area" of suspension travel instead of just a path. That allows them to react to impacts in all directions.
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zedro said:What confuses me is when Cannondale had their six bar like these guys, everyone shat on it, the pros didnt like it and it disapeared. Bring it back years later and its the ****?
Right. Exactly. So look at the "how it works" section of the website - why would they tell everyone that they should be setting up the two shocks to work in two stages (also, incidentally, the name of the company)?bcd said:the best thing about having two shocks is the "AREA".
but there is no rerason the owner could not just match the spring rates and get a area amount of travel.
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Yeah I have always found it interesting, that not once is an area of travel mentioned on their website. I have a feeling that they are so caught up in their "Stable Platform" that they don't realize any possible advantages from running similar pressures in both shocks to allow for the area of travel.binary visions said:Right. Exactly. So look at the "how it works" section of the website - why would they tell everyone that they should be setting up the two shocks to work in two stages (also, incidentally, the name of the company)?
Do they not understand the concept, or are they just not relaying it to the public?
Well, there would be an advantage of a pretty huge range of adjustability, since you can seperately tune the first and second parts of the travel with the full adjustability of the shock.WheelieMan said:I see no reason for two-stages. (as advertised by the company)
True, there would be slightly better adjustability of travel, but even this is not mentioned anywhere in the 2-stage info (as far as I can tell).binary visions said:Well, there would be an advantage of a pretty huge range of adjustability, since you can seperately tune the first and second parts of the travel with the full adjustability of the shock.