Hrm... depends, if it was a 65 degree angle with a 5" fork, you're in for a slack front end... same went with my Scab, 71degree HA with a 400mm rigid fork, combined with a 24" rear wheel, made for a low-60's headangle with a 7" fork. I've found that a bike with a fairly steep HA whilst running a 5" fork is something you want, then it doesn't chopper out too much with a bigger fork. And yeh, big burly headtube gussets are in order, you'll be doing things to the frame that duallies wouldn't experience.BMXman said:my 2MX has a 65 degree headangle so a 7" fork is fine....
TheInedibleHulk said:7 inch forks on a hardtail?....
are stupid.
IMO putting a 7 inch fork on a hardtail is taking two useful half-bikes and making one complete useless bike. Even with proper geometry it's still a highly unbalanced bike that doesnt really work well in any situation, just mediocre in a few different situations. My advice, if you want a hardtail, do it with a burly ajustable travel single crown like a pike or sherman. You'll have bike that you can trail ride and jump and you wont even have to bang your knees on the top crown. If you want a big bike, do it right and get a DH bike for god's sake.
TheInedibleHulk said:7 inch forks on a hardtail?....
are stupid.
IMO putting a 7 inch fork on a hardtail is taking two useful half-bikes and making one complete useless bike. Even with proper geometry it's still a highly unbalanced bike that doesnt really work well in any situation, just mediocre in a few different situations. My advice, if you want a hardtail, do it with a burly ajustable travel single crown like a pike or sherman. You'll have bike that you can trail ride and jump and you wont even have to bang your knees on the top crown. If you want a big bike, do it right and get a DH bike for god's sake.
i disagree on that one. my draco is plenty strong with a dc on it(shiver) and it doesnt use gussets. some frame dont need them. sometimes all a gusset does is add a weak spot from the weldingRik said:And yeh, big burly headtube gussets are in order, you'll be doing things to the frame that duallies wouldn't experience.
TheInedibleHulk said:7 inch forks on a hardtail?....
are stupid.
IMO putting a 7 inch fork on a hardtail is taking two useful half-bikes and making one complete useless bike. Even with proper geometry it's still a highly unbalanced bike that doesnt really work well in any situation, just mediocre in a few different situations. My advice, if you want a hardtail, do it with a burly ajustable travel single crown like a pike or sherman. You'll have bike that you can trail ride and jump and you wont even have to bang your knees on the top crown. If you want a big bike, do it right and get a DH bike for god's sake.
... but for the same amount of travel, a dual crown will be shorter than a single crown of comparable travel. Besides, some people are so behemoth/clyde/dreadnaught that they need the stiffness and confidence inspiring aura a DC imparts.TheInedibleHulk said:Im not necessarily against long travel hardtails, its the dual crowns that drive me nuts. I also dont like any fork that is longer than it needs to be. I have the 5 inch fox on my hardtail, and it certainly wouldn't ride too bad with another inch. When you start getting into dual crowns though it gets real stupid real fast.
TheInedibleHulk said:If you're a big time hucker you're not a real bike rider and I dont want to talk to you anyway
when did I become such a jackass??
Arrrghh, Hulk mad and right. Yo' Hulk this vwmtnbkr with a 7" fork on a Pitbull couldn't ride his way out of a paperbag (and you could fit him in one too). I agree and said the same but this hobbit thinks he knows everything. Check out this picture of him hitting 7 steps at the National Archives in Washington, DC. He hits the 3rd step gets 6 inches of air. All this with a single crown (lighter) fork. What improvements does he expect with a dual crown? Yet he posts his useless opinions every chance he gets. Damn posers.TheInedibleHulk said:7 inch forks on a hardtail?....
are stupid.
IMO putting a 7 inch fork on a hardtail is taking two useful half-bikes and making one complete useless bike. Even with proper geometry it's still a highly unbalanced bike that doesnt really work well in any situation, just mediocre in a few different situations. My advice, if you want a hardtail, do it with a burly ajustable travel single crown like a pike or sherman. You'll have bike that you can trail ride and jump and you wont even have to bang your knees on the top crown. If you want a big bike, do it right and get a DH bike for god's sake.
ezyryder said:Arrrghh, Hulk mad and right. Yo' Hulk this vwmtnbkr with a 7" fork on a Pitbull couldn't ride his way out of a paperbag (and you could fit him in one too). I agree and said the same but this hobbit thinks he knows everything. Check out this picture of him hitting 7 steps at the National Archives in Washington, DC. He hits the 3rd step gets 6 inches of air. All this with a single crown (lighter) fork. What improvements does he expect with a dual crown? Yet he posts his useless opinions every chance he gets. Damn posers.
Now for my question, what is the best fork to use on an Evil Imperial, I have yet to make up my mind as to what to put on and am interested in what others think. I want to be able to go bigger and harder than I can on my existing hardtail street rig with a DJ2 fork. Thanks man.
Hope you got a laugh at the picture.
I am big on the urban riding thing, living just outside of D.C. I consider myself a skilled rider and like to go big. But, I am close to Asheville and Snowshoe and the Frederick Watershed. I want to enjoy all the area has to offer. My Evil bike will be the bike to do all that with, DH and North Shore as well as local urban drops / gaps too big for my existing urban rig.seismic said:Nobody can answer your question, because nobody knows what you can or what you want to do with your bike......no details = no answers
Not throughout all that useless travel you don't. It is either way slack, or way steep at one end.chicodude01 said:So misguided.
I have a z-150 on my hardtail right now. It has the same AC as many DC 7 in travel forks............
can't comment, only have a 6" SC (breakout) on my HT, and it's absolutely perfect. Have ~67-67.5 head angle, and actually prefer to have a HT when dropping as you can land more rear-wheel first and not have to worry about slamming your fork into the ground at a 50 degree head angle... (when you land rear wheel first on a FS I've found that the rear compresses before the fork ever touches, so when your fork comes down you have an obscenely slack HA) Only down-side to going with a longer travel HT is that I was getting bucked on some landings/rollers. Swapped my flats for clipless and problem solved...Transcend said:Not throughout all that useless travel you don't. It is either way slack, or way steep at one end.
Transcend said:Not throughout all that useless travel you don't. It is either way slack, or way steep at one end.
lol i just upgraded to a 110mm fork and it feels to big on my ruckus i donno how he can like that lol.seismic said:A friend of mine is riding a GT Ruckus with a 888r in front...it actually feels ok, - but he is also the hucker type....and not so much the "bar-spin-type....
HA, so yeah, there isnt even a DC on my bike then...and im not sure what your point is...i messed up the jump......so? im sure i'll see that pic posted all over here forever tho, so have a good laughezyryder said:BUMP for a great thread, see pics of vwmtnbkr showing the benfits of a dc on a hardtail.
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72080
Exactly! A ht with big travel up front is just unbalanced-travel wise.dhmtbj said:Personally i would never run more than 5 inches of travel on a hardtail. For me the hardtail is way more versatile with a small fork.