A medium M1 without the suck?

preppie · Jun 19, 2006

SirChomps-a-Lot said:
Does such a bike exist?

When people say M1 and copy in the same sentence....

Azonic Gravity

blue · Jun 19, 2006

Ih Sgs?

dump · Jun 19, 2006

bullit

J5ive · Jun 19, 2006

bikenweed · Jun 19, 2006

I'm in the same boat, any bike that rides like my old M1 I will buy in a matter of days.

The Azonic looks like an M1, but does not ride like one.

Since everyone is so crazy about the Sunday, that might just be it.

p.s. Demo8's do not ride like M1's at all.

DukeNukem3d · Jun 19, 2006

I thought too a SGS rides about the same. Dont know for sure though.
They sure do look a lot uglier than the M1.

sayndesyn · Jun 19, 2006

That Norco does look pretty damn close... Other than the monocoque obviously.

Zark · Jun 19, 2006

Dear Intense:

Please bring the M1 back, I miss it and so do a lot of my friends. Just address the one or two small issues and it will continue to be the best DH bike ever. I promise to buy one every three years or so. Thanks!

zark

DukeNukem3d · Jun 19, 2006

sayndesyn said:
That Norco does look pretty damn close... Other than the monocoque obviously.

Not really.
But even if it did, more important is that he's looking for a bike which rides the same as the M1 rather than looking the same.

If you check out the angles of the linkages and the shock I'd say all the lookalikes have the angle of the shock is too vertical instead of horizontal like on the M1.

Zutroy · Jun 19, 2006

Maybe the 07 KHS? Couple of the guys have been racing FSR protos. David K said it felt like and M1 with the FSR link.

Ian F · Jun 19, 2006

SirChomps-a-Lot said:
I was just thinking about what I would get for a proper DH bike if I had a sack of cash today.

I would want a bike that rode EXACTLY like a meduim M1 only without the suck. No mis-aligned frame, no snapping shocks, no cracking the head-tube, replacable der. hanger, proper rear-axle system.

Does such a bike exist?

I dont think so... and this is probably why M-1's in good condition seem to bring decent money on Ebay right now. I rode an M-3 around a bit and while it doesn't feel bad, it didn't have the same "pop" my old M-1 did. Adding an Avy w/ ti spring helped that frame a LOT. I never should have sold that frame. :rolleyes:

blue · Jun 19, 2006

DukeNukem3d said:
Not really.
But even if it did, more important is that he's looking for a bike which rides the same as the M1 rather than looking the same.

If you check out the angles of the linkages and the shock I'd say all the lookalikes have the angle of the shock is too vertical instead of horizontal like on the M1.

What effect does this have on the bike (eg, Norcos, SGS, etc) riding more or less like an M1? M1s use a 9.5x3.0, don't they?

DukeNukem3d · Jun 19, 2006

I think placing the shock under different angles certainly will cause the shock to respond differently. A shock mounted more vertical will react very different from a shock which is horizontal. On single pivots this makes major difference, I am sure it will on a 4bar as well but I can imagine less compared to a SP.

blue said:
What effect does this have on the bike (eg, Norcos, SGS, etc) riding more or less like an M1? M1s use a 9.5x3.0, don't they?

Not all, only the most recent ones had. From the 02 they did but the 01 and earlier had 8.75 shocks.
By the way, the 9.5" shock gave the frame 9" travel and the 8.75" gave it 8" if I remember correctly.

blue · Jun 19, 2006

DukeNukem3d said:
Not all, only the most recent ones had. From the 02 they did but the 01 and earlier had 8.75 shocks.
By the way, the 9.5" shock gave the frame 9" travel and the 8.75" gave it 8" if I remember correctly.

Hmm...so how will shock placement affect the ride of an FSR bike?

I've only spent about 20 mins on an M1, and currently own an SGS, but I couldn't really tell a difference in the way they rode, but I'm not terribly picky about how my rear wheel squishes.

blue · Jun 19, 2006

DukeNukem3d said:
I think placing the shock under different angles certainly will cause the shock to respond differently. A shock mounted more vertical will react very different from a shock which is horizontal. On single pivots this makes major difference, I am sure it will on a 4bar as well but I can imagine less compared to a SP.

This is true...a Horst/FSR isn't very different from a single pivot in regards to pedaling/rear suspension action, is it? I thought the only benefit to the Horst was braking.

ViciousDHer · Jun 19, 2006

How bout this??

for sale here, Now with a brand new fifth element !!

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151818

Spunger · Jun 19, 2006

Well what's funny is it seems some random M1's came out with replaceable hangers, while the majority you'll see don't have them. Go figure.

I love the way my Intense feels. That's the only reason I bought a M1. If you ride the bike like it is (a race frame, NOT a huck/drop frame) it rewards you nicely. And with the right setup on the 5th it pedals pretty well.

Was it Astrix? that had a pretty good carbon-copy of the M1 design? I think if I had to pick a frame for VPP or 4-bar I'd probably look into any one of the top DH frames out there. The Demo is probably one of the more seen 4-bar setups and the M3/V-10 have the VPP dialed.

Intense is a funny company because they dropped everything they made before (all 4-bar stuff) and made everything they produce now VPP. It's like they can't make their mind up on what they want to run for a suspension design. In a couple years some how 4-bar stuff will come back and VPP will be in the shadow unless this newer lower leverage stuff takes off (like the Foes 2:1 bikes).

skinny mike · Jun 19, 2006

Spunger said:
Intense is a funny company because they dropped everything they made before (all 4-bar stuff) and made everything they produce now VPP. It's like they can't make their mind up on what they want to run for a suspension design. In a couple years some how 4-bar stuff will come back and VPP will be in the shadow unless this newer lower leverage stuff takes off (like the Foes 2:1 bikes).

word on the street is that the change had to do with licensing costs.

TheInedibleHulk · Jun 19, 2006

SirChomps-a-Lot said:
What's with Australians and norco? I would just like to point out to the world that every 2nd guy here is on a norco. WHY? This isn't canada. The conditions are totally different. Norcos ride like poo unless at least 90% of your riding is on 2x4s.

Up until this year, you would be right. The new DH team, like the one pictured there, has very standard DH race geometry. In the configuration I have mine, it's a 14 inch bb and 64 degree head angle. The large has a 23.5 inch top tube and pretty standard wheel base. The old ones were steep and short and less than ideal for anything fast. I came off a V10 from last year and it was not a difficult transition to the norco. It also weighs 41.5 the way I have it set up.

Inclag · Jun 19, 2006

Xtension/Azonic Recoil (not being rebadged by Azonic anymore).

I rode a large M1 for a couple years and the 18" Recoil I'm now riding is even better than the M1. This isn't hard because all the quality issues that Intense is famous for plus my hackness made the bike the suck (albiet a very fast one), but overall the Azonic is definately in the same league as far as feel. The only difference being that an 18" Recoil is a little shorter than a large m1 and a little longer than a medium m1 (which I like). Also, I've found that you need to run the bike in the lower BB settings (with a 9.0x2.75 romic, a 8.75"x2.75" size would work and give you more usable IMHO shock linkage positions) and I don't think it would be wise to run anything longer than a 7" travel front fork since I wouldn't want to be much slacker and as it is I'm running an 05 Dorado.

If you could somehow get your hands on an Extension frame that would be the way to go. The Azonic Gravity is completely different. Not at all bad, and actually if you ride one it doesn't feel half bad for a race bike despite the crazy un-sagged geometry, but its nothing like an M1

benno · Jun 20, 2006

blue said:
What effect does this have on the bike (

Significantly less than two tenths of f*ck all.

Shock angle? Pffft. The *only* way it could have any conceivable effect on suspension action is if you consider the momentum of the spring and it's direction relative to the myriad of other moving parts on the bike. And it's mass, relative to the rest of the bike/rider system is puny - no effect.

Bicyclist · Jun 20, 2006

A lot of people ride those over Demos because the geo is the same and they're lighter. They seem pretty cool, maybe with a shorter shock they could be even better. Maybe SPrider will chime in, I'm pretty sure he's on one of those right now.

J5ive · Jun 20, 2006

SirChomps-a-Lot said:
What's with Australians and norco? I would just like to point out to the world that every 2nd guy here is on a norco. WHY? This isn't canada. The conditions are totally different. Norcos ride like poo unless at least 90% of your riding is on 2x4s.

What is it with every 2nd guy being a f&ckhead and thinking they're above riding a norco? Then they jump on an IH, Giant, Spec, or similar bike and somehow think they are on a higher quality machine? Its all the same **** coming from the same places. I will admit the 05 geo was buggered, but the 06 is a different bike from the past and the numbers speak for themselves.

14.2" bb, 65 ha. 43lbs as in the pic (big tyres and DH tubes). Should get it sub 40 with a few changes.

Hella mint.

The bighit 3 is a great bike too. But for 2K more (aussie dollars), you get RC2, Hadley hubs, XO, Holzfella, e13, 5050s and sain t brakes. Not a hard choice if you have the money.

Bicyclist · Jun 20, 2006

Yeah, the new Norcos look prime. I'd ride one over a Demo probably.

blue · Jun 20, 2006

ESS-GEE-ESS

Ghetto style racer.

bikenweed · Jun 20, 2006

Demo's do NOT ride like M1's at all. I made the mistake of thinking they would be similar, and they are not. The rear end of the Demo is way shorter, shorter than the M1 in the short position. I hate this, but you might like it. The front triangle is kinda goofy. The bike is long, but has a short top tube, and seat tube isn't as laid back as the M1. I like to corner sitting down some times, and the M1 did that a lot better than the Demo. The Demo is pretty much a goofy glorified freeride beast, while the M1 is a refined race machine.

I'd like to try the Azonic or something, but that steep seat tube scares me. That and it's like $1500 or something for the frame. That's still not cheap. Would a new V10 ride like yer old DH9?

stgil888 · Jun 21, 2006

benno said:
Significantly less than two tenths of f*ck all.

Shock angle? Pffft. The *only* way it could have any conceivable effect on suspension action is if you consider the momentum of the spring and it's direction relative to the myriad of other moving parts on the bike. And it's mass, relative to the rest of the bike/rider system is puny - no effect.

How about progression. The angle of the shock relative to the actuating link dictates how progressive the actuation of the shock will be. The other links in the suspension system have some affect on how progressive the bike is, but the angle of the shock makes a difference too. That's why some bikes, like Specialized Bighits, allow you to change the angle of the shock to adjust how progressive they are. The M1 had the shock in a position that made it much more progressive than some other bikes that are being compared here.

DukeNukem3d · Jun 21, 2006

Exactly what he said.

On a single pivot is certainly is noticable so I would not exclude this from a horst link. Now, the problem is, the angles of the spreading of 'square' which makes the 4 bar linkage can be quite different but it may get about the same feeling on the bike, I dont know about that.

Zark · Jun 21, 2006

stgil888 said:
How about progression. The angle of the shock relative to the actuating link dictates how progressive the actuation of the shock will be. The other links in the suspension system have some affect on how progressive the bike is, but the angle of the shock makes a difference too. That's why some bikes, like Specialized Bighits, allow you to change the angle of the shock to adjust how progressive they are. The M1 had the shock in a position that made it much more progressive than some other bikes that are being compared here.

I call BS. First off the M1 was redesigned more linear to take advantage of progressive shocks. M1's are progressive of the 5th. SGS DH bikes actually are more progressive than M1's.

kidwoo · Jun 21, 2006

Even turpen was racing one of those bighits last year. He was on it because of the weight but based on the geo numbers it looks like a really good frame. Cheap too.

LittleBIGjumP · Aug 29, 2006

I rode my M1 the other day, it was fun. If I could have discs it would be the ride. 97 model no discs........oh well, I too am interested in what will be similar, Lookin at 303, M3 ?

LBJ

tmoney727t · Aug 29, 2006

Does anyone here want kyle straits old Haro DHR werks. Its the same thing as an intense M1 only with thinner walls so thats its lighter for racing. PM me with interest. it is for sale in complete bikes. but i do not want to sell it ocmplete.

Laaz · Aug 29, 2006

Remec?

http://pix.bikemag.hu/showgallery.php?cat=762

blue · Aug 29, 2006

tmoney727t said:
Does anyone here want kyle straits old Haro DHR werks. Its the same thing as an intense M1 only with thinner walls so thats its lighter for racing. PM me with interest. it is for sale in complete bikes. but i do not want to sell it ocmplete.

Didn't you just buy that?

What's wrong with it? :brow:

A medium M1 without the suck?

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