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So i have a problem with the 1.5" angleset on my demo.

I recently received a 0 cup to try out on the top. Installation seemed to go fine, but the bearing is moving in the gimble. I have a spare gimble, and same thing. No matter how tight it gets cranked down, preload ring and all, the bearing click backs and forth in the gimble, making the entire headset extremely loose.

Anyone else experience this? I even tried to put a spacer between the crown and headset upper race to crank things down, but no dice.

 

[yuroshek]

Sounds weird but try switching the bearings, maybe they got mixed up? or try switching the two gold gimble? things I think one is different from the other If im not mistaken.

 

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Sounds weird but try switching the bearings, maybe they got mixed up? or try switching the two gold gimble? things I think one is different from the other If im not mistaken.

Well the new cup didn't come with a spare bearing. Just a cup and gimble. Maybe i need another bearing??

As far as I understood, they were the same, but I could be wrong. I have the new gimble from the 0 deg and the old one from the .5, bearing does the same in both. Bearing looks to be fine, not even a ding etc.

 

[yuroshek]

Well the new cup didn't come with a spare bearing. Just a cup and gimble. Maybe i need another bearing??

As far as I understood, they were the same, but I could be wrong. I have the new gimble from the 0 deg and the old one from the .5, bearing does the same in both. Bearing looks to be fine, not even a ding etc.

Im confused on what the gimble is... Is it that gold cup looking thing?

 

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Im confused on what the gimble is... Is it that gold cup looking thing?

The gimble is the gold semi sphere.

 

[Zoso]

Use a standard Cane Creek 1.5 flush top cup, no gimbles. If its zero deg it shouldn't matter. You have to press a cup in and out regardless, might as well use the simpler setup.

OR

I'd try adding a few micro shims in between the top cap and the compression split ring. The tolerances are tight and sometimes the cap bottoms out on the gimble before it can fully load the bearing.

 

[bizutch]

Fraser, Nick will be in first thing in the AM. I looked at the site and can't find a clue. I wouldn't torque anything down til you check in with him.

 

[EVIL JN]

Maybe a silly question but are you sure put in the bearing the right way? it happend on my first try with a pair of k9 cups with cc bearings and the headset became very loose like 2 feet out of the door.

 

[Transcend]

Fraser, Nick will be in first thing in the AM. I looked at the site and can't find a clue. I wouldn't torque anything down til you check in with him.

Even better... Josh and John are paying me a housecall in the morning! Talk about service.

 

[Transcend]

Maybe a silly question but are you sure put in the bearing the right way? it happend on my first try with a pair of k9 cups with cc bearings and the headset became very loose like 2 feet out of the door.

Pretty sure, the bearings are bevelled and only fit in one way as far as I can tell??

 

[EVIL JN]

They are bevelled but they can still go in either way. After that one time i put the bearing in the wrong way i always double check that its in the correct way, its quite easy to forget if it gets mounted in a hurry, because thats what i did and it didnt take many feet before everything ratteld loose (though this was on k9 cups).

 

[Transcend]

So...answer to the problem - the effective stack height on the different cups (0, .5 and 1) is different due to how far the gimble sits in the cup. Visually it's basically the same, but the gimble rests at different heights inside the cup. Something to watch out for!

 

[Orfen]

So...answer to the problem - the effective stack height on the different cups (0, .5 and 1) is different due to how far the gimble sits in the cup. Visually it's basically the same, but the gimble rests at different heights inside the cup. Something to watch out for!

so what exactly did you do to fix the problem?

 

[OGRipper]

So...answer to the problem - the effective stack height on the different cups (0, .5 and 1) is different due to how far the gimble sits in the cup. Visually it's basically the same, but the gimble rests at different heights inside the cup. Something to watch out for!

As in, you just needed to add another spacer? I thought you tried that.

 

[Jeremy R]

I'd try adding a few micro shims.

Moar = always correct answer.

 

[Transcend]

As in, you just needed to add another spacer? I thought you tried that.

Yup, I needed a slightly larger spacer apparently.

I don't think the gimbles seated properly (or maybe the bearing) the first time. So it looked like i had more than enough spacers.

However, there's a few small things to look out for during installation. Josh from CC went through it this morning. Photos and audio coming soon...

 

[bizutch]

Yup, I needed a slightly larger spacer apparently.

I don't think the gimbles seated properly (or maybe the bearing) the first time. So it looked like i had more than enough spacers.

However, there's a few small things to look out for during installation. Josh from CC went through it this morning. Photos and audio coming soon...

I'm confused. Are they a west coast service group for Cane Creek or are you in Asheville this week?

 

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I'm confused. Are they a west coast service group for Cane Creek or are you in Asheville this week?

They are in Deep Cove this week.

 

[bizutch]

They are in Deep Cove this week.

I'm gonnago out on a limb and say that is some ridiculous convenience and timing.

 

[Salami]

So the moral is: if your tube is too long you need to use more spacers?

 

[yuroshek]

Funny now I notice my gimble in the lower cup is "moving" when I drop the front end. Is this what was happening to yours?

 

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Funny now I notice my gimble in the lower cup is "moving" when I drop the front end. Is this what was happening to yours?

It was one of the things. If it is moving, it isn't locked into place - you need to reinstall the fork.

I'll have a very specific how to up on pinkbike monday with the boys from CC.

 

[Lelandjt]

^
Why I'm getting a regular headset for my V10c and selling the Angleset. I'll slide the stantions up and down to adjust head angle, just like we've done for a decade.

 

[Orangesicle]

Does this sound familiar to anyone with the angleset on an M9? "CLICK"

I have noticed an audible "click" in my angleset during some motion and hits. Usually from heavy braking on pavement, stoppies and such. Must be going on while on the trail but don't ever hear it there. I've reinstalled and lubed everything and still the same "click". Thought it might have something to do with the M9 adjustable upper cup interface and tightening flange, but I cannot isolate the noise. I've loosened and torqued and re-torqed everything.

Can anyone help me stop the noise? Ideas?

 

[IH8Rice]

i just started getting a similar issue on my M9 this past week. im in the process of disassembling the bike to clean it up and inspect what it might be.

 

[Capricorn]

Stickman: are these just coincidences wrt the M9 click, or a generic issue that's been latent till now?
BTW: took delivery of my M9 last week and being built this week. Many thanks for coming thru for me

 

[IH8Rice]

Stickman: are these just coincidences wrt the M9 click, or a generic issue that's been latent till now?

its gotta be a headset issue more than a frame issue. the cups in the frame are solid and are not moving at all.

 

[SkullCrack]

I'll have a very specific how to up on pinkbike monday with the boys from CC.

Thanks for that. I checked it out this morning on PinkBike and it helped solve some problems I was having with my installation.

 

[rockofullr]

So all in all are the monkeys who have angle set's happy with them?

 

[ianjenn]

So all in all are the monkeys who have angle set's happy with them?

We have a strong 6 months of riding on it and it has given us no issues. Install was a little slower than a normal HS.

 

[zdubyadubya]

So all in all are the monkeys who have angle set's happy with them?

Very! Have a -1* on my trailbike. Lovin it. No problems.

 

[rockofullr]

^^^^^

Good to hear, I am pretty close to puling the trigger on one for my Nomad.

 

[rockofullr]

Any tips on aligning the cups with the frame?

 

[EastCoaster]

Might have missed it but did anyone mention Tech Tues over on PB?
They're tackling the subject with photos.

 

[IH8Rice]

Any tips on aligning the cups with the frame?

just take your time. mine went in with no issue.
super perfect alignment isnt as big of a issue like it is with other designs

 

[Transcend]

Might have missed it but did anyone mention Tech Tues over on PB?
They're tackling the subject with photos.

That'd be my tech tuesday!

 

[zdubyadubya]

Any tips on aligning the cups with the frame?

get a long piece of string. tie one end to seat-tube. pull other end over center of headtube. line up mark on headset with string. done.

 

[rockofullr]

get a long piece of string. tie one end to seat-tube. pull other end over center of headtube. line up mark on headset with string. done.

That sounds hard I'm gonna just whack it in with a hammer.

 

[Uncle Cliffy]

Anyone else with a dual crown still getting that "pop" when you hit a bump?

I have an Angleset on my Trance X and it's been rock solid. Does everything a headset's supposed to do with no noise, and I only installed it once.

Big bike= no dice. Did 5+ installations with 2 of the different cups, new bearings, new crown race, ect. Cane Creek dude said I was "doing it wrong." Sooo over it. I'm thinking it might go on my Slopestyle instead, but in the meantime the good old XXC flush reducer I had laying around solved the problem...

 

[IH8Rice]

as i mentioned on the FB, i have constant popping on my M9 too