I'm building up a new downhill bike and am not really sure what fork to get. id like a 40, but I've heard mixed things about them. I'm also looking at the new Boxxers, and am wondering the difference between the world cup and the R2C2. Any recommendations?
I don't want to come across as a flamer, but whatever. Of the 6 new Fox Kashima coat forks I have seen on friends bikes five of them started puking oil on the first ride and it got progressively worse over the following rides. Literally new out of the box on the first ride I have witnessed a 180 Talas and 150 talas a 140 RLC as well as another 180 Talas start puking on on their first ride. If you ask me this is totally unacceptable. If you call fox they immediately offer you new seals but will not admit to there being a warranty issue. This more than anything pisses me off when there is a KNOWN defect with an item and a manufacturer will not admit to it and tell you everything is fine but without question will send out new parts to fix the crap they should have found in testing the product before releasing it.
This among other arrogant stances Fox takes has turned me away from ever buying another aftermarket Fox product again.
The R2C2 boxxer is equivalent to the Team, it is a coil. The World cup is air sprung. they both have the same damper.
I've never had the opportunity to maintain a new boxxer, but my 08 40 is super easy to maintain. I asked a fox rep what the advantage of the new FIT cartridge is and he told me it's the same, just inverted so the compression adjustments are on top of the leg.
If you're looking a Boxxer option I was speaking with CR1 not long ago and they just came out with their own version which a team with what amounts to be world cup internals with tons of adjustabilty.
It's actually right on the main page when you visit the site:
The R2C2 boxxer is equivalent to the Team, it is a coil. The World cup is air sprung. they both have the same damper.
I've never had the opportunity to maintain a new boxxer, but my 08 40 is super easy to maintain. I asked a fox rep what the advantage of the new FIT cartridge is and he told me it's the same, just inverted so the compression adjustments are on top of the leg.
R2C2 also has different bottom out system. It is elastomer based if I remember right.
Ive bought a used 2010 boxxer wc from Christiaan and Ive had no problems with it. It works flawlessly, though you wont wow your friends at the parking lot. The fork doesnt dive or fatique your arms. Im not sure if its due to the fork but I noticed more front traction when I got it.
The only time I had a problem with mine is when I decided(well actualy I really tried not to hit it but was deflected on a gap landing) to go full speed over a 10 inch rock and bottomed it out. Lost oil and some little thing got loose but nothing was hurt and it was an easy fix.
a guy i work with got one of the first kashima 40's in canada and has had no problems with it, he claims its the best fork he has ever had, but he was coming from a 08 888 before so that should be expected.
the kashima coat helps with the smoothness of the fork but its not a major upgrade. im currently on a 831 now with the kashima coming from a lowered 32 float without, the difference is minimal.
i would go for the 40, and its just because im biased and have never liked the feel of rockshox products.
a guy i work with got one of the first kashima 40's in canada and has had no problems with it, he claims its the best fork he has ever had, but he was coming from a 08 888 before so that should be expected.
the kashima coat helps with the smoothness of the fork but its not a major upgrade. im currently on a 831 now with the kashima coming from a lowered 32 float without, the difference is minimal.
i would go for the 40, and its just because im biased and have never liked the feel of rockshox products.
I think the kashima should make a bigger difference on the super huge stanchion. If it is actually slippery like claimed, that would help. My current 40 definitely has some rub action compared to a smaller 32mm boxxer
I think the kashima should make a bigger difference on the super huge stanchion. If it is actually slippery like claimed, that would help. My current 40 definitely has some rub action compared to a smaller 32mm boxxer
i wonder if that translates to more stiction on the track though? I think the deflection on a 32mm stanchion and it binding on the bushing would more than offset the larger and stiffer 40.
Came off a 2010 Boxxer Team and went to a 2011 40. The 40 simply put is amazing. I hated the Boxxer ever since it was new, never felt soft enough and was so chattery on the small stuff it was pathetic. I have a whole weekend on the new 40 at Snowshoe for the third race. No leaks, no pops, just buttery perfection. Can't say enough about this fork.
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