Appalache Real - 33lb full on DH bike, now thats light!!
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Ridgid Platform Damping, I like.
I'm sure you could drop some more weight off the bike by going for a carbon fiber block.Spitfired said:
Didnt you hear!?! If you touch it with even the slightest force it will disintegrate into dust particles. You cant use that garbage for DH...Metal said:
Looks like a great bike.
http://www.balfa.co.uk/balfa/balfa_bb7.php3
You still sell BB7's? Make them too?
http://www.balfa.co.uk/balfa/balfa_bb7.php3
You still sell BB7's? Make them too?
I would like to see the bike on scales once finished because that low for the parts thats on it,is very doubtful
You guys are more obsessed with weight than friggin women ; )
Yea pshh im thinking about rockin the wooden shock now, i hear fox makes the new "woody" it gets 9" of travel :dancing:
i wouldnt call it a full on dh bike but it looks pretty
see if you can talk to e13 to get a SW backplate for that guide.
see if you can talk to e13 to get a SW backplate for that guide.
What?????..........huh????????? Did a few Ti screws come loose?
Throw on some forumula puros and you will save wieght and not have to run hayes. and DT 5.1 rims are lighter as well.
yeah, but at least F1 cars are super practical for getting groceries and taking the kids to school.rockymt21 said:
©2001 said:
I believe the claim. People don't understand that a bike's weight isn't determined by your frame and fork. Every little bit counts. On my 41 pound Demo 8 w/ a steel spring I cut down on weight EVERYWHERE. *Road spokes, alloy nips, short steerer tube and seatpost, light tubes, ect.* Those cheap(er) areas cut down a crapload of weight.
I just weighed mine as i just got a scale and was doing some spring cleaning (oil change etc).Kanter said:
'05 888rc with go-ride switch crowns w/stem at 7.64 lbs including axle and all hardware. I honestly thought it would be more.
Just to stay on topic... 33lbs for that complete bike....hard to believe. But who cares, bike weights have been blown out of proportion as of late on this board.
Pics on the scales to follow guys.
Everything has been done to cut weight. These Boxxers weighed 5.75lbs with full length steerer.
J
Everything has been done to cut weight. These Boxxers weighed 5.75lbs with full length steerer.
J
There is no way those boxxers are under 5.76lbs. I just don't believe it.
mine (internally stock) was 6.0 with cut steerer & no bumpers (with axle). are those modded somehow?ragin-sagin said:
Yes, it comes with a hand that holds them at the lower to take some weight off the scale.xy9ine said:
This thread deserves to be in the road forum.
i guess you guys somehow don't get it, in my eyes is clear as day light...
Jamie works for the distribuitor in England (actually the company that owns the balfa brand this days) so in my Opinion he is just trying to Hype up how light the new Appalache bikes are since he also sellls them too..
this is a pretty comun thing to do in most any business and i'm sure "Money is not Object" on this endevor since the bike is being build by the company as a show case (To be show and lift by millions at bike show) and not just by a guy like the rest of us...
anyway installing a 11/23 cassete and some Marwi Titanium spokes, makes it look like a "Looker more than a Rider" may as well make it into a single speed (well you still need a tensioner do to the suspension travel path) and install 1.5 ritchey WCS tyres or something super light but also super stupid on a downhil bike
anyway the best please to satisfied the addiction for the Paris Hilton sindrome is Weight Weenies you be surprise how far they go to achive Liposuction results..
I do love that new Appalache frames and curretlly i have 3 balfa's my self (and maybe a 4 soon) so I hope the best for the design, but you also need to be realistic about the way a bike is set up so you can actually ride it the way she is soppose too..
just my Opinion of course..
Jamie works for the distribuitor in England (actually the company that owns the balfa brand this days) so in my Opinion he is just trying to Hype up how light the new Appalache bikes are since he also sellls them too..
this is a pretty comun thing to do in most any business and i'm sure "Money is not Object" on this endevor since the bike is being build by the company as a show case (To be show and lift by millions at bike show) and not just by a guy like the rest of us...
anyway installing a 11/23 cassete and some Marwi Titanium spokes, makes it look like a "Looker more than a Rider" may as well make it into a single speed (well you still need a tensioner do to the suspension travel path) and install 1.5 ritchey WCS tyres or something super light but also super stupid on a downhil bike
anyway the best please to satisfied the addiction for the Paris Hilton sindrome is Weight Weenies you be surprise how far they go to achive Liposuction results..
I do love that new Appalache frames and curretlly i have 3 balfa's my self (and maybe a 4 soon) so I hope the best for the design, but you also need to be realistic about the way a bike is set up so you can actually ride it the way she is soppose too..
just my Opinion of course..
I call that bull****. Unless you have less gravity in the UK, I'd go and check your scale. The 06 Boxxer WC with uncut steerer and drop crown is 6.3lbsjamie@balfa said:
You still need to use something for a stem though right? A Thomson stem is about 150 grams if I remember correctly.ohio said:
Exactly, I'm familier with a lot of the parts just from using them and weighing them myself, but I also check that site a lot to see how accurate what I come up with is, and it's a great resource. That's where you can look at weights of things like tires, rims, cassettes, chains, brakes, tubes, cables, and so on...If you want to have a good idea of what a bike will weigh, make a spreadsheet, and add in all of those things. People often forget the pound or more of tubes they're carrying, the cable housing and ferrules, grips, and many other small things, but you can get pretty accurate.patineto said:
I've used that site before...
If I had to guess my bike weight I would say about 46-48 pounds lbs. But, here is what I came up with:
3751 g Frame, and seatpost-Clamp
1310 g DHS Rear Shock
3859 g Shiver DC uncut steerer tube
466 g HAyes HFX Comps Front brake- lever caliper, hose, rotor, bolts
490 g HAyes HFX Comps rear brake- lever caliper, hose, rotor, bolts
1333 g Gazzaloddi Junior 26X2.6" tire
1200 g MAxxis 24X2.7" tire 50a
448 g Maxxis Downhill Front Tube
400 g Maxxis Downhill Rear Tube
1100 g Front Single Trat Wheel
1100 g Rear Singletrack wheel 24"
177 g Shimano XT Front Deraillure
280 g Shimano Alvio Rear Deraillure
225 g Bottom Bracket ?
475 g Speacialized Big Arm Cranks ?
289 g SRAM PC990 Hollowlink chain
292 g Shimano Rear Cassets- 9 speed Deore XT
15 g Shimano Casset Lockrings
844 g BMW Shinburger Pedals
150 g Headset?
225 g Pro Taper Handle Bars
114 g Yeti ODI Lockon grips.
250 g Pair of shifters ?
275 g Seat/Saddle yeah ?
249 g Kore seat post ?
30 g Other bolts ?
200 g Custom Built Frame Guard ?
100 g Cut of tire/zip ties around fork to protect the frame ?
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20 011 gram = 44.116 703 286 pounds
So if all I said is right, my Big Hit weighs in at around 44 pounds.
But I forgot the Ti Spring so so maybe 43.2 Pounds.
If I had to guess my bike weight I would say about 46-48 pounds lbs. But, here is what I came up with:
3751 g Frame, and seatpost-Clamp
1310 g DHS Rear Shock
3859 g Shiver DC uncut steerer tube
466 g HAyes HFX Comps Front brake- lever caliper, hose, rotor, bolts
490 g HAyes HFX Comps rear brake- lever caliper, hose, rotor, bolts
1333 g Gazzaloddi Junior 26X2.6" tire
1200 g MAxxis 24X2.7" tire 50a
448 g Maxxis Downhill Front Tube
400 g Maxxis Downhill Rear Tube
1100 g Front Single Trat Wheel
1100 g Rear Singletrack wheel 24"
177 g Shimano XT Front Deraillure
280 g Shimano Alvio Rear Deraillure
225 g Bottom Bracket ?
475 g Speacialized Big Arm Cranks ?
289 g SRAM PC990 Hollowlink chain
292 g Shimano Rear Cassets- 9 speed Deore XT
15 g Shimano Casset Lockrings
844 g BMW Shinburger Pedals
150 g Headset?
225 g Pro Taper Handle Bars
114 g Yeti ODI Lockon grips.
250 g Pair of shifters ?
275 g Seat/Saddle yeah ?
249 g Kore seat post ?
30 g Other bolts ?
200 g Custom Built Frame Guard ?
100 g Cut of tire/zip ties around fork to protect the frame ?
_______
20 011 gram = 44.116 703 286 pounds
So if all I said is right, my Big Hit weighs in at around 44 pounds.
But I forgot the Ti Spring so so maybe 43.2 Pounds.
Oh man I ear you on that one..Jm_ said:
in the past I got to Purchase a lot of titanuim bolts, that In singles apear weightless but if you get a 1000 of them they stiill hevae as hell
is like the old latin joke.
what is heavier a Ton of Bricks or a Ton of elefant feathers...?!?!?
same with Wire,s ferrules even ball bearings, is just matter of quantity and a few of this oversigh parts can tilt the balance one way or another
the thing is weights for components can vary wildly (especially tires), and add to that error margins in the measurements...so the only real way is to actually weight the bike. I'm betting two identical builds could easily be a pound off if not more.DH biker said:
Yep that is true. Not to mention the ''?''s were for the weight I was not totally sure of.zedro said:
fork RS Boxxer WC 6lbs
2724
front spokes Ti spokes
135 2859
front rim Mavic 721+rimstrip
620 3479
front hub Hope pro
204 3683
headset Cane Creek C2
105 3788
stem Thomposon X4
175 3963
handlebar Azonic stealth
208 4171
shifter pod XO
115 4286
front brake 8" hayes elcamino
500 4786
rear brake 7" hayes elcamino
470 5256
frame 9lb balfa
4086 9342
seatpost Thompson Elite 27.2 ~250mm
220 9562
seat Selle Italia SLR
135 9697
cranks RF Atlas
945 10642
Grips grips
100 10742
pedals light platform
400 11142
chain PC99 hollow
289 11431
cassette SRAM 970
189 11620
rear derailer SRAM XO
200 11820
Chainguide LG1
195 12015
rear hub Hope pro
385 12400
rear spokes Ti
140 12540
rear rim Mavic 721+rimstrip
620 13160
rear tire Maxxis 2.35 HR 40
1242 14402
front tire Maxxis 2.35 HR 40
1242 15644
nipples DT Brass F+R
66 15710
cables (housing, ferrules, tips, other misc)
100 15810
Tubes 2x2.125 (xc tubes)
400 16210
Skewer rear
100 16310
35.92511013
So, a light bike is more than possible, it's just that to have it weigh the claimed 32lbs, the frame has to weigh about 4lbs like I said initially, but if the frame weighs about 9lbs, then the real weight is going to be around 36lbs, and as things go, probably a little heavier than the claimed number at the bottom. Most of the weights were actual, but there's a couple mfr claimed, so it will usually weigh a bit more than calculated.
Still a light bike, no doubt.
As I said initially, it can easily go lighter by making some smart switches.
The reason it's so light has to do with the light wheels, lack of bashguard, saddle, and of course a decently light frame.
2724
front spokes Ti spokes
135 2859
front rim Mavic 721+rimstrip
620 3479
front hub Hope pro
204 3683
headset Cane Creek C2
105 3788
stem Thomposon X4
175 3963
handlebar Azonic stealth
208 4171
shifter pod XO
115 4286
front brake 8" hayes elcamino
500 4786
rear brake 7" hayes elcamino
470 5256
frame 9lb balfa
4086 9342
seatpost Thompson Elite 27.2 ~250mm
220 9562
seat Selle Italia SLR
135 9697
cranks RF Atlas
945 10642
Grips grips
100 10742
pedals light platform
400 11142
chain PC99 hollow
289 11431
cassette SRAM 970
189 11620
rear derailer SRAM XO
200 11820
Chainguide LG1
195 12015
rear hub Hope pro
385 12400
rear spokes Ti
140 12540
rear rim Mavic 721+rimstrip
620 13160
rear tire Maxxis 2.35 HR 40
1242 14402
front tire Maxxis 2.35 HR 40
1242 15644
nipples DT Brass F+R
66 15710
cables (housing, ferrules, tips, other misc)
100 15810
Tubes 2x2.125 (xc tubes)
400 16210
Skewer rear
100 16310
35.92511013
So, a light bike is more than possible, it's just that to have it weigh the claimed 32lbs, the frame has to weigh about 4lbs like I said initially, but if the frame weighs about 9lbs, then the real weight is going to be around 36lbs, and as things go, probably a little heavier than the claimed number at the bottom. Most of the weights were actual, but there's a couple mfr claimed, so it will usually weigh a bit more than calculated.
Still a light bike, no doubt.
As I said initially, it can easily go lighter by making some smart switches.
The reason it's so light has to do with the light wheels, lack of bashguard, saddle, and of course a decently light frame.
