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2017 UCI World Cup Calendar

29-30 April UCI MTB WORLD CUP - DHI Lourdes FRA
20-21 May UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO Nove Mesto na Morave CZE
27-28 May UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO Albstadt GER
3-4 June UCI MTB WORLD CUP - DHI Fort William GBR
10-11 June UCI MTB WORLD CUP - DHI Leogang AUT
24-25 June UCI MTB MARATHON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS - XCM Singen GER
24-25 June UCI Mountain Bike Masters World Championships Vallnord AND
1-2 July UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO - DHI Vallnord AND
8-9 July UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO Lenzerheide SUI
5-6 August UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO - DHI Mont-Sainte-Anne CAN
26-27 August UCI MTB WORLD CUP - XCO - DHI Val Di Sole ITA
5-10 Sept UCI MTB WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS XCO/XCR/DHI Cairns AUS
 
Jim Mac

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schwaaa31 said:
Word is Windham applied and got denied? Anyone in the know know if that's the case?
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No real info on that, but it wouldn't surprise me - Windham put a LOT of effort into the races in the past & started to invest more in a summer MTB 'infrastructure', if you will with the work in the park and general XC trailwork around that vicinity. A steady ski resort winter income is getting iffy 'round these parts.
 
TrumbullHucker

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Windham FB

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While it does not appear Windham got a World Cup.

The Windham ProGRT is a UCI inscribed HC or Hors Classe. That is the highest designation and awards the most UCI Points other than the Worlds, WC, Continental and National Champs. I believe it's the first HC DH race in the USA. Traditionally the UCI only awards those venues that will host a WC the following year. Anyways it should be a huge event with a ton of racers traveling down from the MSA WC the weekend before. It offers UCI points down to 25th place and enough points to qualify for a WC down to 7th."
 
canadmos

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I've never understood why the XC stuff and DH split off at points during the season. Wouldn't it be better for the sport as a whole if they all toured and stopped together?
 
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canadmos said:
I've never understood why the XC stuff and DH split off at points during the season. Wouldn't it be better for the sport as a whole if they all toured and stopped together?
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I'm not expert on hosting an event such as this, but I would imagine the answer is "hell no".... you'd need at least 3x the housing infrastructure to host the XC circus as well as the DH circus... and ridiculous amount of parking lot space for all those big rigs and luxurious pit setups...
 
SylentK

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Wasn't there a rumor that Angel Fire lost money on their WC endeavor in 2005?

Do you see the annoying GoPro games advertised? Vail or the parent company, Vail Resorts, which as you know includes Keystone has no interest in a WC. It's not family friendly enough or revenue generating enough (I was told this by a Vail Resorts VP). But apparently the GoPro Games are.

Heck, even the USA Pro Cycling Challenge went bankrupt. And that's road, where apparently tons more money is at.

And you have to assume something is up if Whistler (Interwest and therefore Winter Park and Steamboat) won't hold a World Cup.

I was surprised that Vail hosted an enduro/XC/festival type thing last fall. Actually, looks like they're doing it again this year: http://www.outlier.bike/#

Yay enduro...apparently that's good enough for Crested Butte, Winter Park, Steamboat, Keystone and Vail. Shit. I bet Telluride has an enduro, I just don't know about it. Fuck those fucking fucks.
 
dump

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As others have said, most folks in USA can't get the numbers to work out to warrant hosting a WC. Quebec gets some millions (iirc ~2 million?) from the government to make it happen there.
 
Bikael Molton

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SkaredShtles said:
So there's no money in WC?

Why the fuck do they keep doing it, then? :D
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It's fun.

Also, government support from left-wing socialist regimes like Canada apparently helps prop it up. We only do this in the US when billionaire NFL team owners feel the need for a new stadium at no financial risk to themselves.
 
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Also, government support from left-wing socialist regimes like Canada apparently helps prop it up. We only do this in the US when billionaire NFL team owners feel the need for a new stadium at no financial risk to themselves.
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Yes, especially when the existing stadium is perfectly fine, barely 25 years old and not even fully paid for! (see: three rivers stadium).

What a joke!
 
SkaredShtles

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rpet said:
It's fun.

Also, government support from left-wing socialist regimes like Canada apparently helps prop it up. We only do this in the US when billionaire NFL team owners feel the need for a new stadium at no financial risk to themselves.
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That's a good point. Fuck football.

Strange idea to prop up DH mt biking, though. I suppose it goes under the radar since it has gotta be really cheap to stage compared to football/futbol/hockey/basketball/baseball retardedness.
 
Josef

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According to this: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/NewsGeneral/16/91/65/UCIMTBMediaGuide2015-webversion-final_Neutral.pdf 40,000 people attended MSA in 2014. If they have a 10% sales tax or anywhere close to it thats $2,000,000 in tax revenue if everyone spends $500 locally over the course of the weekend. I could see it being well worth it for the government to pump $1,000,000 of funding back into one of these events. It would really only make sense if its a DH/XC mix however to get the numbers up. Where the two ends dont meet is that you would have to have a resort interested and a local government with a brain that could see the benefits.
 
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Josef said:
According to this: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/NewsGeneral/16/91/65/UCIMTBMediaGuide2015-webversion-final_Neutral.pdf 40,000 people attended MSA in 2014. If they have a 10% sales tax or anywhere close to it thats $2,000,000 in tax revenue if everyone spends $500 locally over the course of the weekend. I could see it being well worth it for the government to pump $1,000,000 of funding back into one of these events. It would really only make sense if its a DH/XC mix however to get the numbers up. Where the two ends dont meet is that you would have to have a resort interested and a local government with a brain that could see the benefits.
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Do you think those are realistic numbers though?

Those 40k people would need to have come for no other reason than the WC. If they were planning on an MSA trip anyway, and just made it coincide with the race, the extra revenue due to the race is pretty minimal.

If they're local Canadian type folks, they likely drove to the race, and if so, probably didn't spend anywhere near $500 each.

They'd be far wiser to spend the $1000000 on the resort itself, and advertising to get people to travel there on all the other weekends except the WC one.

I would be just as pissed dollar for dollar if my local government bribed UCI to host a race as if they helped pay for a new NFL stadium.


It's really just time for mountain bike racing to leave the UCI. It worked when MTB was a little side show, but it's a real and unique sport, that needs to be managed differently than road racing. They can keep World Champs, as the WC season has little to do with them anyway. Make the WC a world tour instead, and race 1 race from each country's national series.
 
Josef

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maxyedor said:
Do you think those are realistic numbers though?

Those 40k people would need to have come for no other reason than the WC. If they were planning on an MSA trip anyway, and just made it coincide with the race, the extra revenue due to the race is pretty minimal.

If they're local Canadian type folks, they likely drove to the race, and if so, probably didn't spend anywhere near $500 each.

They'd be far wiser to spend the $1000000 on the resort itself, and advertising to get people to travel there on all the other weekends except the WC one.

I would be just as pissed dollar for dollar if my local government bribed UCI to host a race as if they helped pay for a new NFL stadium.


It's really just time for mountain bike racing to leave the UCI. It worked when MTB was a little side show, but it's a real and unique sport, that needs to be managed differently than road racing. They can keep World Champs, as the WC season has little to do with them anyway. Make the WC a world tour instead, and race 1 race from each country's national series.
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I would guess that maximum they are getting 10,000 locals. They may not spend close to $500 each but the other 30,000 would be spending more. Are they a 100% accurate probably not. Are they realistic...? Maybe. I dont know. The local government probably has a good idea though... They didnt list every venues attendance in that media guide. My guess is because it was really low or they have no way of figuring it out. Ft. Bill had 26,000 I believe which my understanding is almost 100% non-local.

My point is that it does make sense for the local government to help out in stuff like this. Unless they dont want extra tax money. Its pretty short sighted to think government subsidies provide no return value. Its pretty simple actually. If they dont then they wouldnt do them.
 
sethimus

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canadmos said:
I've never understood why the XC stuff and DH split off at points during the season. Wouldn't it be better for the sport as a whole if they all toured and stopped together?
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not all locations can cater to all disciplines, albstadt for example has a bike park, but not the hill for a real downhill track, they just got 140m of elevation to play with (including the 5m high wooden start hut). why lenzerheide only hosts a xc race next year is strange, they got everything there.
 
sethimus

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Josef said:
According to this: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/NewsGeneral/16/91/65/UCIMTBMediaGuide2015-webversion-final_Neutral.pdf 40,000 people attended MSA in 2014. If they have a 10% sales tax or anywhere close to it thats $2,000,000 in tax revenue if everyone spends $500 locally over the course of the weekend. I could see it being well worth it for the government to pump $1,000,000 of funding back into one of these events. It would really only make sense if its a DH/XC mix however to get the numbers up. Where the two ends dont meet is that you would have to have a resort interested and a local government with a brain that could see the benefits.
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you really believe a normal world cup visitor is spending 500$ on a weekend??? you dreamin'...
 
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