I heard that Kaiser Soze has it in for free riders!
LOL--thanks for the laugh, Skooks.
And like Borneo said, if you have not heard XC riders bitch about losing trails (or about the BBTC for that matter then you must not be hanging out with XC riders.
Hey Gar Girl, why even be watching IPTV (IdaHoe Potato TV) unless you are in Spokane, Idaho or don't have cable? except for that purticleur episode your OFG show & THE WIMPY HOST is frikkin lame-O & PBS is such a waste of taxpayers' money I beleive anyway. nother thing, WA state needs to sell all the boring land around Spokane & all that other worthless part of the state to Idaho. Except for Ganzoga Univercity. btw, BH is way too groomed & the all people are so nicey nice & helpful.
...the DirtCorps folks have already figured how to organize, successfully solicit, and build a legitimate bike park...while all the bbtc haters have been talking about it for years...
...the DirtCorps folks have already figured how to organize, successfully solicit, and build a legitimate bike park...while all the bbtc haters have been talking about it for years...
I've been asking for a while now and they seem to be happy with who they have for now. (Though two are semi-permanently out of state now...) "Joining" doesn't seem to be a concern. They are doing a small local deal and are staffed accordingly. Kind of like the DJs up in B'ham were.
As for the BBTC, they are much more widespread in not only membership but focus and are usually dealing with bigger governmental wastelands than lil' ol' Snoqualmie. Having DC member JRose on the parks board helps too. So, it's a little bit different out there.
People bitch no matter what. Personally, I think we've got it pretty made on all aspects of biking compared to some poor schlep living in Iowa for gawd's sake so I can't complain for a lack of trails to ride. Heck, I usually am never able to get to everything in one riding season. So what if we have to drive a little for some variation. If you want 'shore out the back door, I'm sure MMike would love to have you move north of the border.
No wonder washington is crappy for freeriding in general. Reviewing the replys I got to this thread, I am convinced that most mtn bikers here are gutless, tree huggin whimps. I have read alot of users post here for the last year and see the same old crap and its the same old people getting nothing done, advice that gets nothing done for freeriders. I thought I would post a thread for the first time, I did, and got exactly the response I thought I would. So I guess I will go back to my old ways, poaching trails and building my own.
I wow, I hadn't been over here on RM for a while. The same thread was going on at mtbr.
I'm not going to debate any points, I'm just going to say that I am personally working on several options for legit freeride. I work with DNR, the Forest Service, Seattle, Kind County, and Snoqulamie by supporting the Dirt Corps crew (they're working under the shell of BBTC so they're covered by our insurance). BBTC's job is to try and find a land manager that will allow real freeride on a chunk of land that works for us. So far we've made a few baby steps, band we'll damn well keep trying.
Same goes for xc. No way in hell we have even close to enough xc riding near Seattle. The xc situation is little better, but sure isn't good. How many singletrack trail systems do we have officially on public land w/in an hour of Seattle? 4 That sure isn't much. How many of those are open past November? 1 - Grand Ridge, which really isn't what I'd call an epic experience.
Since the trail wiki pages can be edited and added by just about anyone, we worried about someone coming along and posting a page about the exits with a map marker showing exactly where they are. To discourage that, we decided to put in placeholder pages and make them not editable by regular users.
True. We knew that this whole topic would be a problem given the user-editable nature of wikis. I created a listing for said exits, and deleted the map markers from the main map. The lat/lon coordinates for those exits are just the physical freeway offramps - just concrete and cars. If you found the listings you already know the exit numbers. The listings are also locked down so that no additional information can be posted - and I pointed folks to legit freeriding, even if it is a long drive from town.
People, don't give up hope. The trails on Fromme were only made legitimate in the last few years, and they've been around since the mid-80s. A few of them, such as Pink Starfish, are still at risk. And all of lower Cypress are going to become mega-mansions. Our challenges aren't unique, we just haven't been at it as long as our bros up north.
If you don't like how things are going join the club. Get your budies to join. Lobby the members for support. At the next board election get on the board and use the clubs power to make change. Why start a revolution to form a new club that has a tiny voice when you can have one big one?
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