The pic below (at the time I posted it) shows the weight of the frame to be 5.8 lbs? Butted Sanko tubing? WTF? Their 26" frame is 5.1? My 26" NS is 4.9 lbs. A typo? Or is this thing built like a tank?
Ahaha! Funny post!Emm, dont know what your bias is. The Mob's supertherm, where the others are lesser tensile strength cromo. Ive had the same Mob for +six years now, and hasnt cracked yet.
The dobermann has a high BB for (24 compatibility?), an obsolete external headset headtube, not to mention fugly designed dropouts and stays.
Dont know anything about NS other than they're polish and have a bad reputation for cracking within a year or abuse... (pinkbike) Much cleaner design than the Dobs anyway...
Tonics look alright... whats their advantage? Good design
And Brooklyns... know anyone who rides one? whats the weight? design looks heavy as FFFf.
Transition did what first? Have a small full suspension bike that could be run single speed? Kona Bass/Cowans, Arrow Racing DSS-3s or whatever might just have been around longer than Transition was pumping out Doubles...Only reason the killswitch has any potential is becauseo it is a Corsair. It is still not out yet and Transition did it first with the double. Also Dobermann's Le Pink has been out, along with Corsair's Konig, Commencal's Absolut SX and Banshee Rampant.
So yes BM is behind the times.
like I said, that is your opinion, and it does not matter to anyone but you. My opinion is that you are a biased jerk off. The "buzz" about the Kill Switch started sometime in September, so in my books that is only a 1/2 year, and the reason being is testing to get the best possible products out. I have ridden the Double many times, and had a few sessions on the Kill Switch, and I promise you that the proof is in the pudding. There is no comparison in the way they ride. So, you keep riding your custom made, especially for your week steez bike and I will keep riding the MOB, which is the most imitated DJ MTB ever.Ok so I personally would never buy a Kona either. The point was the buzz about the killswitch has been around for over a year and Is still not out yet. Same thing with the contraband there was buzz about it for a year.
BM is always behind the times.
I don't care what Carter Holland's brain washed minions say or think. It is still a generic frame even the mob. The quality is not incredible,its ol but there are so many better.
uhh.. a high bb is a good thing and a regular headset is stronger than an integrated oneEmm, dont know what your bias is. The Mob's supertherm, where the others are lesser tensile strength cromo. Ive had the same Mob for +six years now, and hasnt cracked yet.
The dobermann has a high BB for (24 compatibility?), an obsolete external headset headtube, not to mention fugly designed dropouts and stays.
Dont know anything about NS other than they're polish and have a bad reputation for cracking within a year or abuse... (pinkbike) Much cleaner design than the Dobs anyway...
Tonics look alright... whats their advantage? Good design
And Brooklyns... know anyone who rides one? whats the weight? design looks heavy as FFFf.
now both the pinschers and molosses are 24 and 26 specific, and the only difference is the dropouts..and thats the only difference there needs to be..BM is always behind the times
This thread is getting old but...
Seriously, look at trends in BMX frames. The Mob came out before S&M and the rest of the 20in wheeled industry started using tapered stays and micro dropouts. Now, the most popular brands have tapered stays, micro dropouts, integrated headtubes-
Behind the times? External headtubes..! Giant perforated MTB dropouts... if they wanted lighter they could go with 3/16" instead of 1/4" thick with goofy holes and spindly attachment points. And they're still touting the Pinscher as 24/26 "compatible"- i submit there is no such thing...
Who is Anson riding for? Last I saw him be was riding a Brooklyn with his Yowelli bars.this thread is funny.
fyi anson quit bmw. acl never went into production.
when was the last time you saw an ovalized integrated headtube?
tonic for prez.
A lot of it is personal opinion, but I think these are pretty ideal measurements:Okay so lets be constructive. What is geometrically superior about the pinscher vs the Mob? Or the TOP vs the pinscher. The Howie vs the Geekhouse...
There is a general consensus among BMX bike manufacturers, head angle 74.5-75 seat 71. BB height 11.6-11.8.
Whats the perfect MTB hardtail head and seat angle? and most important BB drop/height?
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This is not true. I have never seen anywhere that the Riot is made from Sanko. And Sanko is actually really, really good. It's the branded quality Chromo from Japan (think like SuperTherm from the US). In fact, a lot of frame manufacturers use Sanko so that they can go with thinner tubing to lower the weight. Apparently blkmrkt didn't with the Contraband.The riot is crap steel same as the contraband.