Whats best for DH RACING?
I have a BOXXER 2002 and i want to upgrade so which do you think is best?
resists more impacts?
I have a BOXXER 2002 and i want to upgrade so which do you think is best?
resists more impacts?
Boxxer WC 2005 vs. Marzocchi 888 RC ?
- Thread starter Colombian DHer
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The boxxer because it's lighter.Colombian DHer said:
The 888 because it's thicker.Colombian DHer said:
kidwoo said:
Are you saying this because its black?
I only know of one person who's punched through the lowers on an 888. I know about 3 people this has happened to with boxxers and have heard of other people doing the same.Curb Hucker said:Are you saying this because its black?
So, yes.......because it's black.
A couple of weeks ago I bent my boxxer lowers in really not that of a bad crash.
Ordered a 888RC now, thicker lowers, so hopefully they won't bend as easy as the boxxers...
Ordered a 888RC now, thicker lowers, so hopefully they won't bend as easy as the boxxers...
In my opinion, the 888 all the way; there's no comparison in my book! Then again, I'm a huge Marzocchi fan.
Ohh man, I wish JM would respond to Boxxer threads still. That was the best sh*tstorm starter ever!
I like my 888rc a lot. Its plush and great for pinning it. Since riding it I'm faster & smoother, don't get hangovers and mack on more chicks.
I like my 888rc a lot. Its plush and great for pinning it. Since riding it I'm faster & smoother, don't get hangovers and mack on more chicks.
Never ridden a 888RC but I have had such a great experince with my 05 Boxxer WC. I am light (158lbs) and love the light weight. For some reason the dampning is just spot on compare to my 04 Boxxer Team I rode last year. Handles the quick stuff, rocks and drops without any problems.
Well , after replacing my 2003 Boxxer Team with a 200mm 888rc I can say that the move is not always an upgrade...
The 888 makes the bike feel heavy,harder to pedal,harder to lift and maneuver the front end of the bike.
The lowering crowns are a must and cost more unless you'ill buy the 06 model that comes equiped with them, and even after that the front feels higher than the Boxxer.
In my favorite DH run , at high speeds , the 888 feels only just a little better than the Boxxer and I can say today that this upgrade was not worth the $$$.
I sold My old bike last friday and the buyer was on a budget so I put the old Boxxer back on after running the 888 for the past 5 months - the bike immediately came to life again - sprinting and bunnyhopping with ease !
I feel like I must start working on my 888 to make it feel more like a Boxxer.
And yeah , the Boxxer lowers bend but it is hardly felt during riding.
The 888 makes the bike feel heavy,harder to pedal,harder to lift and maneuver the front end of the bike.
The lowering crowns are a must and cost more unless you'ill buy the 06 model that comes equiped with them, and even after that the front feels higher than the Boxxer.
In my favorite DH run , at high speeds , the 888 feels only just a little better than the Boxxer and I can say today that this upgrade was not worth the $$$.
I sold My old bike last friday and the buyer was on a budget so I put the old Boxxer back on after running the 888 for the past 5 months - the bike immediately came to life again - sprinting and bunnyhopping with ease !
I feel like I must start working on my 888 to make it feel more like a Boxxer.
And yeah , the Boxxer lowers bend but it is hardly felt during riding.
I don't like to rag on products, but I can tell you a story about my WC Boxxer.kidwoo said:
Not only did I punch a hole in the lowers, but the seals leaked all of the time. Everytime I turned around, that fork was leaking oil--somewhere.
As for the 888 lowers, the first batch did develop pin holes; however, Marzocchi replaced the lowers for free, no questions asked. In addition, they have fixed the problem; I don't think any new 888s have had the same problem.
Since I had a bad expirence with my Boxxer, I have been a Marzocchi fan. Their forks truely seem to be trouble free.
888 is great
Tall? With the stock crowns in 8", yup. But there are 7" 888's and you can get lowrider crowns for 8" onesbballe336 said:
Heavy? No, not really. A tad under 8 pounds, same as a Dorado and a tad more than a Boxxer.
More suited to feeride? How so? Its tuneable for either application.
05 boxxer lowers?Hydraulicman said:
well people buy the 8 inch fork because they want 8 inches. i have never seen anyone with a 170mm 888. and even with the low rider crowns they are still taller than say a boxxer. aren't they a tad over 8 pounds too? and since when is the dorado 8 pounds? its 6.8 just like the sherman. i feel it is more of a freeride fork because it is a big and tall and apparently not very tuneable if the people who actually race them and win do not use internals that are anything close to stock. anyways i guess it is just a difference of opinion. i do not like the fork and never will. if you think its a good fork then enjoy it all you want. everyone feels different about their gear.Zark said:
ever since it came outbballe336 said:
The dorado is about 8.03lbs with it's stem, about 7.75lbs without, the 888 is actually a good bit lighter than the dorado without the integrated stem, but the 888s stem is a little heavier, making the total weight with stems for both forks almost exactly the same.bballe336 said:
And as far as tunability, with the marzocchi you can tune the progressiveness, keep it linear, or make it more progressive allowing much softer initial travel with a good ramp-up to prevent bottoming. I guess if you have a boxxer you have already decided you don't "need" this adjustment, but I find it to be highly valuable in ALL KINDS of riding conditions, not just racing. Let me just continue, there is NO ADJUSTMENT on the boxxer that's going to make any real difference compared to the progression adjustment you can make on marzocchis, and then the marzocchi rebound tuning range is usually much larger, so they end up being infinitely more tunable. This is the one reason that marzocchi still stands pretty far above fox, manitou and RS. Manitou has tried to come up with some progressiveness adjustments (SPV) but it's been at the sacrifice of suspension performance, the new 06 stuff may adress this, but fox and rockshox are doing nothing to give riders progression adjustments. The reason this is critical is if 180lb rider A and 180lb rider B both sit on their bikes, they should have the same sag. If rider A is not too agressive and rider B tries to jump off of everything he can find, they are going to need different amounts of progression. With "other" forks, you have to buy stiffer springs if you are rider B, and you no longer have the right sag and your ride is harsher. With marzocchi, if you are rider B, you add a little oil, MAINTAIN the plush travel because you haven't changed your spring rate, and gain the progressiveness you need to keep from bottoming out. This is what still sets marzocchi apart from the rest.
Holy crap.
You totally just like made sense and stuff.
You totally just like made sense and stuff.
jm what happened?
i mean, you used to have a boxxer and did some work to the interiors of it, so where did the knowledge about it being an open bath fork with the same progressivity adjustability as any marzocchi go?
i mean, you used to have a boxxer and did some work to the interiors of it, so where did the knowledge about it being an open bath fork with the same progressivity adjustability as any marzocchi go?
Colombian DHer said:
if the state of things in colombia is any similar to what it is here, then i would factor in the availability of spare parts and warranty, actually that could easily be the one thing that sets those two forks most apart.
Just got my 888RC in today an put it in the DHR.
I could only do a test drive here in the city, but it feels so much better then my TF tuned 02 boxxer race.
I could only do a test drive here in the city, but it feels so much better then my TF tuned 02 boxxer race.
You care to bet on that? Fabian just won the Euro championship on what is basically a stock fork. Cedric runs what is basically a stock fork. They are just tuned to their preferences. Something almost every rider does to every fork.bballe336 said:
But I can tell you there is nothing inside of those forks that can not be obtained by anyone on this board... Unless, you see one of the guys on an 06 RC2X, then you will have to wait a few months....
Brian
The boxxer may be an open bath fork, but it's not meant to work with oil height adjustments. The seals are not designed in a way that keeps excessive pressure from blowing them out. I've never claimed a boxxer had the same adjustability as a marzocchi, but just because a fork has a certain adjustment or two doesn't mean it is going to end up "more adjustable", the rebound on old boxxers does literally nothing, the compression on '00 marzocchis was fairly useless and only made them harsher, etc...vitox said:
Jm_ said:
this is the part i meant, and yes you can adjust the progressivity to your hearts content, granted, the seals never last as long as on a zocchi but my experience says they dont suffer such a degradation in life expectancy from using oil height as progression adjustment.
so if thats what you mean with "not meant to be used as progression adjust", that has changed with the increased seal life of the later batches of boxxers.
and hell if it thats a problem, just put a zocchi seal in there and be done with it.
bballe336 said:
I have had two Dorados a 2003 and 2002 and they both weighed in at just under 8 lbs with the integrated stem etc. The Sherman is lighter than a DORADO.
Today I got my integrated stem for the 888 put stuff together in it's final fase
Here are some differences between the 888 and my 03 boxxer race TFT
-888 is much plusher, even more then my boxxer was tuned
-888 is much stiffer (don't know about the 05 boxxers with the new lowers)
-you don't really feel a weight difference when you both hold them in your hand, the 888 will be a bit heavier now with the integrated stem, because it weighs quite alot for a stem
-888 is more progressive, maybe a bit too much, but I'll see how much travel I'll use on the German dh tracks
-888 looks killer
Here are some differences between the 888 and my 03 boxxer race TFT
-888 is much plusher, even more then my boxxer was tuned
-888 is much stiffer (don't know about the 05 boxxers with the new lowers)
-you don't really feel a weight difference when you both hold them in your hand, the 888 will be a bit heavier now with the integrated stem, because it weighs quite alot for a stem
-888 is more progressive, maybe a bit too much, but I'll see how much travel I'll use on the German dh tracks
-888 looks killer
Hydraulicman said:
keep in mind thats comparing a brand new 05 fork to a used 03 fork
Well as far as Boxxer progression goes, what about modding the springs? Have two springs in each leg: the upper spring be lighter than the the lower ones. As you go deeper into the travel, the fork would stiffen up a slight amount.
Yep, there is enough wrong info in this thread to fill a barrel.Mani_UT said:
Just search for external oil bath and disposable lowers and you will have your answer.