hmmm....since when does one "shift" their brakes?zmtber said:get the saint caliper and the lx shifter, the shifter are the same the brake calipers are much different
Am I giving him too much credit to guess he is thinking dual control?zedro said:hmmm....since when does one "shift" their brakes?
since s(atan)himano introduced dual control...zedro said:hmmm....since when does one "shift" their brakes?
yeah yeah shimano big evil company and all the others are doing it for the sick children...chuffer said:since s(atan)himano introduced dual control...
Bish...........every time I buy a $150 dollar sram derailleur, glaciers thicken by 2%, a blue whale sends a thank you note and baby seals rip off their skin and mail it to me just to say "thanks for saving my siblings".zedro said:yeah yeah shimano big evil company and all the others are doing it for the sick children...
thank you. you just made my day, i can rest in peace now.kidwoo said:Bish...........every time I buy a $150 dollar sram derailleur, glaciers thicken by 2%, a blue whale sends a thank you note and baby seals rip off their skin and mail it to me just to say "thanks for saving my siblings".
I bought a shimano derailleur cable once and mothra and gammera fought outside my front door for like two months.
.........no thank you
Thomas Vanderham and Wade Simmons uses Dual Control, according to this ad...kidwoo said:Bish...........every time I buy a $150 dollar sram derailleur, glaciers thicken by 2%, a blue whale sends a thank you note and baby seals rip off their skin and mail it to me just to say "thanks for saving my siblings".
I bought a shimano derailleur cable once and mothra and gammera fought outside my front door for like two months.
.........no thank you
Thomas Vanderham and Wade Simmons both lost their pinkys from a dual pro on pro shocker session gone wrong according to my video camera.sanjuro said:Thomas Vanderham and Wade Simmons uses Dual Control, according to this ad...
the irony of that whole ad campaign is that they dont use dual control on their freeride bikessanjuro said:Thomas Vanderham and Wade Simmons uses Dual Control, according to this ad...
sama1ter said:All the levers are the same. Get Saint or XT calibers. those two are the same, the only difference is the rotors you get(one has oversized saint, one is regular xt, obviously). I assume the LX does a great job for small bike stuff(deores kick ass), but i dont know about the DH/FR stuff.
so, well, i didnt even mention the word "quality" in my post but you still reacted to what you supposed i was saying, while at the same time contradicting yourself by offering very accurate and detailed information that would back my "shimano doesnt charge 30% retail for nothing", i hope that exerpt from the april newsletter explains my argument, that is, unless you suppose shimano would voluntarily make parts in factories that are more expensive, with no benefit.shimano said:2) CS-HG40 8speed MEGARANGE
The production site of CS-HG40 8speed MEGARANGE (11-34T specification) will be
switched from Malaysia to Singapore. By taking this production site change, the origin of
new CS-HG40 8speed MEGARANGE will change from Malaysia to Singapore, which makes
it no more applicable for the GSP (Generalized Scheme of Preferences). Accordingly we
are going to reduce the price of new CS-HG40 8speed MEGARANGE made in Singapore
by around 5%, so the your cost price-difference given from not having the GSP is more than
compensated.
Not sure if there's a performance improvement, but brake fluid started comming out the middle of the caliper due to the seal failing in the two-piece design. Monoblock=less chances for leakage at least.vitox said:companies have hyped 1 piece calipers as being stiffer than bolted ones, logic seems to be behind that argument, but who knows if its a percievable increase in performance
thats one of those marketing illusions that seem obvious and sells fancy looking aluminum blocks (cough Hope cough), except when you consider steel bolts are stiffer and stronger and also can be preloaded, unlike a monoblock which will start flexing the moment any pressure is exerted.vitox said:companies have hyped 1 piece calipers as being stiffer than bolted ones, logic seems to be behind that argument, but who knows if its a percievable increase in performance
Steel is a harder metal than aluminum, hence the reason that no company (I think - correct me if I am wrong) uses aluminum bolts to connect the 2 caliper halves. Aluminum (as a softer metal) could flex, but that is dictated by the manufacturing process. In this case, a forged caliper is stronger.zedro said:thats one of those marketing illusions that seem obvious and sells fancy looking aluminum blocks (cough Hope cough), except when you consider steel bolts are stiffer and stronger and also can be preloaded, unlike a monoblock which will start flexing the moment any pressure is exerted.
Its a caliper per caliper basis, but monoblock does not indicate a stiffer block.
dhpimp said:I don't see how this could possibly be marketing since there is empirical evidence to back it up.
both are good, but the "saint" brake is more expensive and better, but there are some difference:marra said:A friend told me that this brakes are very similar and the differences between them are very small.
Is the difference in the price of this 2 brakes worth?
Are the LX good for DH?
I want to chanche my ECs.
thank you
I believe steel bolts are stronger than alu, not "stiffer", and obviously strength is key with snapping bolts.dhpimp said:Saint's use a 1 piece forged caliper and under continued braking conditions (such as in DH) the monoblock design resists brake fade much better.
Steel is a harder metal than aluminum, hence the reason that no company (I think - correct me if I am wrong) uses aluminum bolts to connect the 2 caliper halves. Aluminum (as a softer metal) could flex, but that is dictated by the manufacturing process. In this case, a forged caliper is stronger.
big mistake, juicy's or hopes babymanhattanprjkt83 said:I just bought a pair of saint calipers/levers/6 bolt 203 mm rotors today, hope it was a good choice over the juicys...
Every pair of saint brakes i have ridden made me
i have some juicy carbons on my trail bike...gemini2k said:big mistake, juicy's or hopes baby