You guys need to look at more websites for news...
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/trek-session-99-carbon-spy-shots.html
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/trek-session-99-carbon-spy-shots.html
Carbon Trek Session?
- Thread starter daisycutter
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Looks very production ready.
no carbon cranks? i am disappoint
Shimano doesn't do carbon cranks. They did one small production run of Dura Ace carbon cranks and promptly dropped them.
unacceptable. at this point i expect nothing short of carbon-kakke. carbon frame, carbon cranks, carbon rims, carbon bars, carbon fork, carbon seatpost, carbon saddle, and so forth
I'm holding out for carbon fiber tires
Is there something new/different on that rear shock?
... carbon 510's, carbon rotors, carbon hubs, carbon spring, carbon stem, carbon bashguard, carbon axle, ....
Pretty soon UCI might need to institute a minimum weight for DH like for road bikes
Is that similar to a bookaki?
My whole body is carbon based. I kick ass.
you are ahead of the curve.
In fairness, I did have to have a titanium plate put in one place where the carbon failed.
don't forget, you're still more water than carbon.
the cable routing and cable-guide/bump-stop is slick.
nope.
They look flat to me 
You're right, forgive me. AG's pins are bloody long on those mallet's though...
Trek have US made carbon bikes for a good chunk less than that - but again the far east made ones are a load cheaper
Yes, the look very flatNope.
correct... retail pricing is a huge ripoff and in no way a reflection of the following:
actual raw material and labor to produce a frame (what you call $500), research/development, testing, prototypes, more design, retooling at the factories for production, preforms, molds, etc.
then when you have a frame made you need to ship it to dealers, who then need to sell it to you, for a profit mind you (shame on them) so they can stay in business. There is also that little thing called a rear shock (oem cost $300+)
and then you can add in marketing and all the peripheral stuff that goes into making a "Brand"
those of you who complain about the cost of goods and somehow feel slighted or ripped off have absolutely no idea how many man hours and resources go into bring a new product to market (think years, not months here). And the margins along the way are incredibly low.
god forbid you buy a complete bike.... apply all of the above (minus the shock) to each part and then pay someone to assemble it (twice)
in other words, buy used or stop complaining. If things got any cheaper everyone would be out of business, there would be no development or progression, and we would have nothing to ride.
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you are clearly un-aware of something called "x-factor"
ie. store makes 50%, manufacturer makes 50%, and if you subcontact components, etc, add another 50% in there.
so a supposed $500 item to manufacture - materials, molds, scrap rate, r&d, labor, etc - you will need to retail for at least $2000. that does not, obviously, include a rear shock @ $575.
point is, if the frame has a total cost of $500, then $2575 is a MINIMUM retail price.
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haha, the stores and manufactures wished they made 50%.... that's not even close.
and your math is looking more like 100%.... and they make margin on the shock too, it's not flat OEM passed on to the consumer
I can't find the link anywhere, but there was an article detailing the assembly of a Giant TCR Advanced road bike frame, and it looked like a major PITA.
VERY, VERY tedious and time consuming... I can see where the cost comes from, even "mass produced" like they were.
VERY, VERY tedious and time consuming... I can see where the cost comes from, even "mass produced" like they were.
It looks like only the front triangle is carbon. Like the v10's However I can be wrong.
Beginning and ending stroke rebound
OEM prices on shocks are a tiny fraction of that price believe me. I imagine someone like Trek would be paying less than a 10th of that.
To everyone that bitches and moans about bikes being too expensive, helmets, pads, bla bla bla
Go out there and make it all yourself, it's so easy and 'cheap' to do.
Go out there and make it all yourself, it's so easy and 'cheap' to do.
Get back to work on that carbon M9To everyone that bitches and moans about bikes being too expensive, helmets, pads, bla bla bla
Go out there and make it all yourself, it's so easy and 'cheap' to do.
You forgot the cost to maintain TWR and the future cost of keeping Gwin on the team. His 'package' potential has probably expanded in the tens if not hundreds of %. Like viagra on viagra!!
Wow the bike looks awesome. Especially the #1. I've had a couple carbon Treks and they were solid. That was 15 years ago! I can only imagine how far they've come since then. I wonder if it will be USA oclv, probably not, that would be too expensive.
Anyone know anything about the Bontrager rims?
Funn bars and stem. Last I saw he was using Sunline. I love how he runs his lever perch right next to the grip since he hangs his hands off the ends of his 31" wide bars.
Anyone know anything about the Bontrager rims?
Funn bars and stem. Last I saw he was using Sunline. I love how he runs his lever perch right next to the grip since he hangs his hands off the ends of his 31" wide bars.
This is true and as meny mentioned the shock and then aditinal alu parts possibly anyway.
Im just sad to see alu diein like the dinos
Funny you should say that. I had the opposite experience. Every Trek carbon oclv that came into our local shop broke (4) - even the replacements broke. They suffered bb shell separations and shock mount breakages. This was 1994-1996.
Also wonder how long they have come since then.
