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  1. TN

    TN Hey baby, want a hot dog?

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    Do you tell a little white lie?
    Will it bite you in the ass?

    Why should your current salary matter if you are moving up to a better position?

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. jonKranked

    jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

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    I'm pretty sure that prospective employers can't legally ask your current/former employer what your salary was. But they can also gauge if what you tell them is in the ballpark of what you should be making for your position, experience, etc.

    Bottom line, the more you make, the more you can fib. Its pretty much how you have to play the game to get ahead. Example, if you're making $40k, saying you make $50 would be a bit of a stretch. But if you make $75 and say you make $85, it'd be a little more believable. Depends on your industry, location, experience, how many people there are in your field, etc. RIght now, with the economy in the ****ter you're gonna be more hard pressed to get more.
     
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  3. I Are Baboon

    I Are Baboon Run, Forrest, Run!

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    I've always told the truth. Lying on a resume is grounds for immediate termination with most employers. Even if the new employer never proactively tries to check your history, it's too easy to voluntarily slip up yourself.
     
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  4. TN

    TN Hey baby, want a hot dog?

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    But I NEVER talk about my salary.





    Good point JohnKranked.
     
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  5. jonKranked

    jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

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    Why in the world are you putting your salary on your resume in the first place?
     
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  6. cadmus

    cadmus Monkey

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    I've always left it blank if it was on the application and handled questions about salary requirements with something to the effect of "If I'm your candidate, I'm sure we can figure something out." In my mind, current salary information is more useful to them as grounds for a low-ball offer than determining your qualifications for the job.
     
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  7. Echo

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    You can round up a bit. But you gotta be in the ballpark, especially if you work for a decent sized company. I bet Kodak knows within a few hundred bucks what a Xerox engineer with 10 years on the job makes anually.
     
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  8. cadmus

    cadmus Monkey

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    Most employers require an HR application along w/ resume and often salary is asked on the app.
     
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  9. I Are Baboon

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    resume/interview/application/whatever. If you lie during the process, an employer may terminate you if they find out you were lying. Whether you want to disclose that information is up to you, but if you do, tell the truth.

    And prospective employers can ask former/current employers about your salary history.

    But I'm an "HR type." WTF do I know? :D
     
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  10. SkaredShtles

    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    Prospective employers need to ask that kind of question to my face. I'll not write it down...
     
  11. Jim Mac

    Jim Mac MAKE ENDURO GREAT AGAIN

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    I think they can, actually. I have been interviewing for several state Govt. positions, and each and every application asks you for your salary per position.
     
  12. jonKranked

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    Salary is one of the few things that is negotiable with a new job. Same with benefits.

    WTF industry do you work in that you can ask former employers the salary? I've never heard of that.


    Like I said, if you're making $55k and you said you're making $60, that won't raise a red flag. But if you're making $55k and you say you're making $80k, they'll know something is up. Its pretty easy to figure out based on someones experience and education if their salary is in line with industry and regional pay.
     
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    I wouldn't lie. Not a good way to start a new job.

    FYI - Check out http://www.glassdoor.com. It's still in beta so there's a lot of functionality that's missing, but it's a site that allows users to submit salary information and rate companies. It looks like it could become a very handy tool for job seekers.
     
  14. I Are Baboon

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    Doesn't matter what industry it is. It's standard pre-employment background screening, which usually includes employment verification with your former employers.

    And to your other point, lying is lying. Granted it's unlikely any red flegs will go up in the examples you mentioned, but be prepared to explain yourself if it does.
     
  15. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    When I took this job, I was originally talking a much higher pay rate and it was lowered when they found out what I made at my last employer. When they verified my employment, they checked dates and salary.

    I still ended up with about a 5% increase, but it would have been closer to 10%. I didn't tell them, my old employer did.

    When I applied for the tow truck job, I left it blank. He asked me what I made, I told him he couldn't pay me anything close to that, so it wasn't an issue. Later over coffee I told him and he was floored. But I didn't drive a tow truck because they make bank, either.
     
  16. jonKranked

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    I totally understand what you're saying. From my understanding employment verification only encompasses if you did actually work there, the dates you worked there, and you were in the position you claimed to be.

    And yea, if they call you out, you have to be ready to explain yourself.

    Another point, just because you claim your salary was a certain amount with your last job doesn't mean that your new employer is required to pay it. Your old salary isn't the only factor in determining your new salary.
     
  17. laura

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    At the last place I worked (non-profit) that is about the only information they would divulge about any previous employee. They would confirm dates of employment and salary range.
     
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    BMXman I wish I was Canadian

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    Yep the last job I had I was always calling and verifying previous position, employment duration and salary...perfectly legal....D
     
  19. jimmydean

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    But like my current position, they knew that 5% would be enough for me to agree to. Once I have my MBA, I will get a healthy bump because I have far more to offer than just a few more years experience.
     
  20. IH8Rice

    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    ive always told my new employer that i was making 10% or more than i really was. i always knew my last employer would never tell what i was really making...and luckily that idea panned out for my current job
     
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    Right on they can ask your present employer... so you can round but dont be dumb about it.. just be difficult on the offer if it isn't signifigant tell them you won' take the risk for less and your looking to leave because your current job salary is uncompetitive.
     
  22. TN

    TN Hey baby, want a hot dog?

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    This job I just applied for has a pay scale that is almost twice what the pay scale of the position I am in now. That being said...broadcast TV is notorious for underpaying designers/animators like by almost 40-50% less than non-broadcast jobs.

    My issue is I don't want to shoot myself in the foot by not getting the job for lying AND I don't want to screw myself out of not getting paid what my skill set is worth.
     
  23. dan-o

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    Then be honest about what you're currently being paid AND honest about what you expect to be paid.
     
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  25. binary visions

    binary visions The voice of reason

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    FYI, I was told by my dad when I asked this question, who has been managing various sized groups and offices for about 15 years, that you should absolutely not lie about your salary barring simple rounding to a thousand.

    He informed me that there are a couple ways a company can find out your previous salary. He pointed out that there were some more subtle ways to call and ask such as "I just want to confirm TN's salary at <your number>" that will often get answered, and that many companies will answer the question anyway even if they just ask straight out.

    He also suggested that they can come very close to your salary by looking at your detailed credit report.

    Just the opinion of one person, take it as you like :monkey:
     
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  26. SkaredShtles

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    Thinkin' about it...

    Those bahstids make some BANK.

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  27. bills.name

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    If your job has a "base salary" and it also has additional pay, like overtime and bonuses, etc. which increase your taxable income, I wouldn't hesitate to tell the potential employer the highest number possible, i.e. base salary + overtime + bonuses + etc. That, technically, is what you were making at your previous job....not just the base salary. And a quick question for the "HR types".... When you ask somebody's previous employer for their salary history, are those extra amounts of money included in what you hear, or do you just hear the base salary figure?
     
  28. CBJ

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    I was just going to say something a long the line as bills.name. Salary is often only a part of the package, then comes vacation, type of health care insurance, and all sort of other benefits.