Junior-T (with HSCV), Float, 888, Judy, and E150Can you inform us all of say the last 3 or 4 forks you have owned???
That's it. I don't make enough money to buy a new one every year so those are the ones that came with my bikes, except the 888.
Junior-T (with HSCV), Float, 888, Judy, and E150Can you inform us all of say the last 3 or 4 forks you have owned???
Sorry, but no. LSC is "low speed compression" right? This means that the input into the damper is a low speed input. Think brake dive, pedal bobbing and small bumps. HSC is for the big, quick hits. On a drop, you go from no load to big load in an instant. I find that most people tend to think the two have more to do with the speed the bike is traveling, rather than the speed the damper is asked to respond.Wasn't LSC really taking care of you when you land a jump or drop? It's a big hit but fairly a fast one.
Hmmm what model Float 32 or 36? RL?, RLC?, RC2? or just plain old R???Junior-T (with HSCV), Float, 888, Judy, and E150
That's it. I don't make enough money to buy a new one every year so those are the ones that came with my bikes, except the 888.
32 RL. I love that fork.Hmmm what model Float 32 or 36? RL?, RLC?, RC2? or just plain old R???![]()
Can you inform us all of say the last 3 or 4 forks you have owned???
Junior-T (with HSCV), Float, 888, Judy, and E150
So you have never actually owned a fork with both HSC and LSC adjustments?32 RL. I love that fork.
I know what LSC typicaly does, same for HSC and I know it has nothing to do with speed you ride. I wasn't simply sure about landing jumps. I had a hazy memory of reading something from a respecable source that LSC had something to damping but I can't recall so I may've been drunk when I've read thatSorry, but no. LSC is "low speed compression" right? This means that the input into the damper is a low speed input. Think brake dive, pedal bobbing and small bumps. HSC is for the big, quick hits. On a drop, you go from no load to big load in an instant. I find that most people tend to think the two have more to do with the speed the bike is traveling, rather than the speed the damper is asked to respond.
You put it there yourself? Because I'm sure as hell not junior model had hscv.Junior-T (with HSCV)
Actualy I don't see him mentioning which 888 he had - some of them had hsc and lscSo you have never actually owned a fork with both HSC and LSC adjustments?
Im guessing the 888 is the 888RC3 ATA he mentions in the first post in this thread.You put it there yourself? Because I'm sure as hell not junior model had hscv.
Actualy I don't see him mentioning which 888 he had - some of them had hsc and lsc
Right. My bad.Im guessing the 888 is the 888RC3 ATA hes mentions in the first post in this thread.
All im pointing out is that Mr Troll is commenting on a subject he has zero or at best very little personal experience off.
No, they didn't. Even forks with the "X" cartridge didn't have low-speed compression, just the "end-stroke" and an overall adjustment. The valving was too simple to give HSC and LSC control (I know, I have two of these).Actualy I don't see him mentioning which 888 he had - some of them had hsc and lsc
Well marz claimed they had lsc and hsc. I've heard before it wasnt really it but there were 2 compression knobs so one can be mistakenNo, they didn't. Even forks with the "X" cartridge didn't have low-speed compression, just the "end-stroke" and an overall adjustment. The valving was too simple to give HSC and LSC control (I know, I have two of these).
I know, or how they claimed that the adjuster on the RC3 was high/low compression, kind of a non-direct way to say it's an overall adjustment that simply makes it harsher rather than does anything usefull.Well marz claimed they had lsc and hsc. I've heard before it wasnt really it but there were 2 compression knobs so one can be mistaken![]()
The JT had what Marz called the HSCV. It was technically a hi speed circuit, but a weird funky circuit, that didnt really do what it was supposed to from the factory, with the moderate 5 weight oil, it really didnt ramp in a usable way.... Most people just called it a bottom out valve. Its not a shim stack, its a valve on a spring, the faster the fork moved/accelerated, the more it could compress the control spring/valve. its on the bottom of the leg when you have the lowers off. I played with the spring on my 66 a bit, and oil weights finally came up with something that works well for me. Alot of people found it to be a system that spiked when it became active, alot of people didnt like it, but I think thats because alot of people dont understand exactly what it is or how its supposed to work.You put it there yourself? Because I'm sure as hell not junior model had hscv.
Actualy I don't see him mentioning which 888 he had - some of them had hsc and lsc
HSCV was a cartridge damper. The Jr T had "SSV" or "SSVF" depending on the year. What you are describing is SSV/SSVF, not HSCV. HSCV used a "base-valve" similer (but much more crude) to what motorcycle cartridge dampers used, this had a piston with compression shims (2) on one side and rebound shims(2) on the other side. I have a picture of it because I sawed one of the HSCV cartridges in half to see what was inside. The low-speed rebound is controled by a piston on a damper-rod connected to the top cap, again with the HSCV cart.The JT had what Marz called the HSCV. It was technically a hi speed circuit, but a weird funky circuit, that didnt really do what it was supposed to from the factory, with the moderate 5 weight oil, it really didnt ramp in a usable way.... Most people just called it a bottom out valve. Its not a shim stack, its a valve on a spring, the faster the fork moved/accelerated, the more it could compress the control spring/valve. its on the bottom of the leg when you have the lowers off. I played with the spring on my 66 a bit, and oil weights finally came up with something that works well for me. Alot of people found it to be a system that spiked when it became active, alot of people didnt like it, but I think thats because alot of people dont understand exactly what it is or how its supposed to work.
Unless you have very good understanding of compression damping and know how to use its benefits in real world cycling experience, it's a better idea to keep riding your rc3 fork. I have one and it's a solid, well performing fork.This thread kind of went crazy haha.
No I have never had a fork that had independent HSC and LSC adjustments. Kind of the whole reason for the thread I guess (do I need one?).
Bypassing the HSCV with a variable orifice is not really adjusting the HSC. It's actually a LSC setting. Adjusting HSC would involve changing shim preload or oil viscosity.Not one 888 had independent HSC and LSC adjustments. To my understanding the compression adjustment on RC3 and RC2X simply changed the port size of the compression piston (closed em up or opened up). Jayem over on MTBR knows the most out of anyone I have talked to about the workings of RC3. With that said it really is a HSC and LSC adjustment (even though its all the same circuit). It will affect how your fork works on LS events and HS events. I wish someone could give a clear answer though on exactly what is going on with what the compression adjustment is doing![]()
Depends on damper layout. Anyway, it's not like an increase in HSC from 1 to 2 will initiate equal increase in LSC. Thus with dual adjusters you are still able to maintain the desired ratio between LSC and HSC. We may even start to consider a layout with 3 stage pistons, but frankly, for an average Joe, adjusting 2 dials correctly is still more than a challenge.Now if what is said above is true, you are always compromising between LSC and HSC. Do you want more LSC? Well then you get more HSC as well. You want little HSC? Well then you get little LSC (the dive issue).
No. Whether you use VA or PAR, it's a positive-sensitive thing. Whereas HSC damping will work in any part of the travel. Upon high speed square edge impacts, your spring can't provide enough force to counteract the impact, making your fork pack up. Depending on how much force your wrists and arms can withstand, you may use HSC to transfer this bump force to you, keeping your fork from packing. For many amateur riders including me, this is not much of an issue, and they actually don't need to use much HSC simply because they don't ride aggressively enough.The big mistake I see a lot of people making is trying to control bottom out with compression. They ramp up the compression to keep the fork from bottoming out but you do NOT need to make that sacrifice (to your lsc). Use VA...or PAR to do that. From my experience in riding my 888 VA produces a much more progressive feel than PAR. VA starts progressing through the last 20-30% of your travel whereas PAR starts progressing through the last 10% of your stroke. PAR acts more like a bypass imo.