If the U.S. let's Russia have Ukraine, who is going to stop the U.S. from taking Gaza.
Then Greenland, Panama, Canada.
Then Greenland, Panama, Canada.
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That’s plan I’m assuming.
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I understand this 100%, but you're up against a country that doesn't give a shit and has threated to use nuclear weapons. So without the US getting involved in a all out war to knock out Putin, what are the options?
So tell me.... You're a world leader, how would you end this war? Do we send in some of Ridemonkey's finest to negotiate the end of this? Seems like they all have the answers. Just call it a hunch, but juice boxes (including Tropical Punch!), a case of Vagisil and orange slices probably wont solve this one.
Russia and US splits Ukraine.
Then splits Canada. I wish I end up on the Russian side.
You got me there. Prefer Capri Sun to juice boxes. I also love vagisil to keep my libtard hands soft. I wouldn't want to get a sore or something.
So you are agreeing in Russia is bad, Correct?
Do I have the answers? Sure don't. I just find it quite difficult to understand how bowing to the commands of the invading country is somehow "good"?
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Id be the pessimist here, but the war in ukraine is lost.
Ukraine doesnt have the strength to push russia out, and the "best scenario" is a stalemate for the next 20 years.
There are lots of things that should have been done, but thats all irrelevant at this point. Most important is to reduce the odds of this happening again, like ukraine joining nato (even without the us), ukraine going nuclear or increase milltary expenditure the next decade.
Of course Russia is bad, I never said differently. What I said was, Trump is using this tactic to broker a deal. If Trump calls Putin a POS in public and sides with Ukraine, Putin is not going to come to the negotiating table, agreed? If you prop him up and make him think differently, you'll have a better chance of negotiating a better deal for Ukraine.
Trump is a businessman not a politician and he's using business tactics. I've worked with companies/people I couldn't stand, but if they had something I wanted I'd make them feel like the most important/best person in the world just to get it. Trump is doing the same thing, it's so blatantly obvious.
I do agree Capri Sun do kick ass!
This is my gut feeling. I’d be open arguments saying I’m wrong. Otherwise it seems like an endless money pit of support, or the thing that escalates to WWIII, and I don’t get the sense the world is willing to do either. Fighting Russia so they don’t just take neighboring land is the morally right thing to do. But the real world cost, financial and human, is tremendous. It would be nice if we didn’t have someone in the whitehouse willing to manipulate the situation for gain, and who appears pretty friendly to the Russian position.
If Russia gets part of Ukraine, they will come back for the rest, right after Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania,...
with the added resources of Ukraine.
You pessimists are wrong. If we (the West "we") feed them with an inexhaustible supply of equipment/munitions, the Ukrainians will drive Russia out of their territory. Russia teeters on the edge of a knife right now economically - it would probably only require 6 months of supplying the Ukrainians and Russia would be unable to carry on this disaster.
ETA: And not even Putin is dumb enough to start WWIII.
ETA: And not even Putin is dumb enough to start WWIII.
From a year ago:
Russia's economy is so driven by the war in Ukraine that it cannot afford to either win or lose, economist says
"A protracted stalemate might be the only solution for Russia to avoid total economic collapse," one economist says.
www.businessinsider.com
That all puts the Kremlin in a tough position, no matter the outcome of the war in Ukraine. Even if Russia wins, the nation can't afford to rebuild and secure Ukraine, due to the financial costs as well as the impact of remaining isolated from the rest of the global market.
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"A protracted stalemate might be the only solution for Russia to avoid total economic collapse," Foucart wrote. "The Russian regime has no incentive to end the war and deal with that kind of economic reality. So it cannot afford to win the war, nor can it afford to lose it. Its economy is now entirely geared towards continuing a long and ever deadlier conflict."
If we had supplied them fully right from the beginning, we wouldn't be having this talk.
MAD works.
Agreed - but that's all water under the bridge at this point...
It's fucking pathetic that we've (and I include the EU in this "we") been basically trickling aid to the incredibly brave Ukrainians.
We trickled cause stopping it isn't not as profitable.
Arab Americans for Trump should be very proud...
I think the problem is manpower.
To drive Russia out would need american/european soldiers on the ground on top of guns. Thats not going to happen.
I don't believe that's true. But I could be wrong, as I'm no expert on the topic. But the Ukrainians have shown themselves to be incredibly resourceful, and with sufficient supply, I believe that they *could* push Russia completely out. And I believe they could even re-take Crimea, which was unlawfully grabbed by Russia back in... 2014?
One of the things I noticed, is the time it took to train ukrainian pilots was around 9 months.
All high tech weapons require training. I dont think ukraine can produce enough trained pilots/soldiers than russia minus attrition to turn the tide of the war.
@mandown and I have been having this conversation. I'm of the opinion that we give Ukraine anything and everything required to shove the Russians back to where they came from Pre Crimean Peninsula invasion and those orcs crawl back under the rocks from whence they crawled. Is Putin crazy/dumb/suicidal enough to start a nuclear exchange? Maybe, but I doubt the rest of his Oligarchs are so eager. My hunch is that if it started getting that tense Putin would get couped or Lavrentiy Beria'd in the parking garage of the Kremlin.
Agreed - but sending thousands of tanks along with all the ammo they need, as well as medium and long range artillery/rockets sure would give them something to work with.
And unlike the Russians - the Ukrainians actually doing the fighting have motivation. Incredible motivation. Which is pretty important.