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Eagle 12spd vs Shimano 11spd reliability

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  1. maxyedor

    maxyedor <b>TOOL PRO</b>

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    Just put a deposit on a Trail Pistol, and while I wait I need to figure out my drivetrain. GG is apperently out of Sram 11spd whcih was my first choice due to having a handful of spare parts already. That leaves either Xo or Gx Eagle or 11spd XT, 12sdp XTR is a bit out of my budget at the moment.

    I give zero fucks about the 50t cog, their Shimano drivetrain comes with a 46t cog and 42t has served me just fine. Weight is somewhat important, but between XT and Xo there's only a 1/10 of a pound difference, likely due to the carbon cranks on the Eagle set-up. The $405 cost difference between the two is pretty significant, but either way I'm within budget.

    Having never run either I don't have a particular preference, but hate fiddling with derailleurs constantly. My favorite part of my X01 11speed drive train has been the complete lack of maintenance.

    What say the Monkey? Which one will likely annoy me the least?
     

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    SRAM. Shimano should call their 11sp drivetrain 10++.
     
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    slimshady ¡Mira, una ardilla!

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    The Shimano XT cassette has stupid jumps between the largest cogs. I know from experience. Mounted one, rode it for a few laps and after bitching like crazy sold it online and bought a SunRace 11-46.

    EDIT: I just remembered, I bent the second largest cog when shifting under load.
     
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    maxyedor <b>TOOL PRO</b>

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    GG specs an E.Thirteen cassette, so I may be okay there. 39-46 instead of 37-46, not quite as close as Sram, but only 1 tooth off.
     
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    We definitely see more driveline problems with Eagle at my shop.
    Shimano XT seems more reliable to me, and replacement parts (in NZ) are way cheaper than Sram's.
     
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    i believe that's only on the 46T cassette.
     
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    slimshady ¡Mira, una ardilla!

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    Yeah, I thouhgt that was implicit in my answer.
     
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    did you forget where we are? ::D
     
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    but yea, that's kind of an inherent issue once you start getting up to the dinner plate sized cassettes.
     
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    Either one is probably fine. My 12 spd XX-1 has been flawless for 2 (going on 3) seasons and I'd expect similar from XO. Like you I had good luck with the 11 spd version. Was worried that would change with 12, but so far the only difference (aside from cost) is another cog.
     
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    This is a bit of an aside, but I like my XTR 12 better than my X01 Eagle. I think it shifts better, is less finicky, and I MUCH prefer the Shimano 41/46/51 to the Eagle 42/50 jump in the lowest cogs. Much easier to find the climbing sweet spot.
     
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    Did you run 11spd prior to this, if so which one and how does the reliability/finicky-ness compare to the XTR & X01 Eagle?

    Leaning toward XT 11 spd and then just jumping to XTR 12 if and when I have to because replacement 11spd parts disappeared
     
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    I never ran Shimano 11 speed, so I can’t comment on that. Was that the question?
     
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    Just trying to get a comparison so something I'm familiar with in terms of reliability. XTR 12 being less finicky than Eagle is good to know, but hard for me to quantify having run neither. Have you run XO11? if so, how does it stack up compared to either of the 12spd drivetrains.

    Admittedly it's entirely possible that I've overthinking this and they're all reliable enough that I won't have to worry about them. Absolutely hated 10spd because it was so finicky, worried that 12spd might be a step backwards in reliability.
     
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    My wife’s bike has XO11, I have only had to adjust the derailleur once in three years, and that was a cable adjustment.
    I wouldn’t worry about it.
     
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    Doesn’t the 12speed Shimano require a new free hub compared to their 11 speed?

    I’ve decided to go GX on my GG build.
     
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    Yes the same as Sram 11spd & now 12spd does.....
     
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    This is the first I've heard anyone describe SRAM 12 spd stuff as finicky. Just like the 11spd, it's been set and forget for me, and the derailleurs can take a beating.
     
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    Nope. If he gets the 11sp Shimano now, he'll have to update the hub when moving to 12sp. No such a problem going from 11 to 12 with sram.
     
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    Yeah, that's what I thought I'd read...
     
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    Heh I miss read the post, Yep same XD driver.
    Teh fails! :doh:
     
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    This. I've had no issues with XT or SLX 11 speed. Equally, I don't know anyone who's had issues with SRAM 12 speed. Reliability of modern Sramano drivetrains may be one of the few things right with the industry. I wish we could say the same for their brakes...
     
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    Shimano.
    Cheap 11-42 cassettes + big cog extra.
    Still half the price of XAnything
    If I can't climb it in 32/47 I don't want to.

    I know. Nobody asked.

    Carry on.
     
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    I bent the fuck out of the largest cog on my e13 cassette on the maiden voyage of my shred dogg, with one melon-sized rock projectile.

    Considered replacing it as the aluminum cluster alone can be purchased, yet when I realized that it was the same cost as an entire gx cassette it has languished on the silly 27.5+ wheelset (intended for winter use, but studz on proper widths are much better). XO or GX 11sp FTW when use and replacement costs are considered.
     
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    I work on the idea of I can’t push 32-42 then I’m getting off and walking
     
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