Electronic Dura Ace on a DH Bike
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Oh yeah and who said that the Athertons used it and said they did not like it? So it was scraped!!
I really hope they dont get to yes or no to shimano's innovations.. Otherwise we are all in trouble. I think that rep was talking out his ass! Im sure it will be properly tested and given to the consumer to decide. i dont think the Athertons get the choice of if it goes to market.
I really hope they dont get to yes or no to shimano's innovations.. Otherwise we are all in trouble. I think that rep was talking out his ass! Im sure it will be properly tested and given to the consumer to decide. i dont think the Athertons get the choice of if it goes to market.
i'm aware of the fact that the derailleur needs to be connected to the battery, but i dont see the need for the shifters, make them wireless for more clean looking bikes and i'm in...
The price will have to come down substantially for this to ever be viable on a mainstream level. The same goes for carbon rims. People may want to spend 4 times the price on a derailleur or rim, but when it comes time to open their wallet I doubt many would. It doesn't make sense, the performance gain isn't 4 times better, its marginally better. Dominance in the public by 2015 is a lofty expectation, even in the road market where it already exists. The only bikes I've seen with di2 in person have been demo bikes, and elite pro bikes. The wealthiest customers who don't flinch at dura-ace, red, or super record don't even have di2 in their mindset. The price is that outrageous. I'd love to be proved wrong, because the stuff rides dope, but I dont think I will be. I personally think the R&D dollars would be better spent on quality, light, internally geared hubs, but then there wouldn't be any $900 derailleurs to smash.
Honda Gear Box discussion...
And to bring this back on topic, I would think that setup, with electronic shifting, would rock.
OK, maybe I'm on crack, maybe it was an elaborate joke... but I remember seeing photos one year (I think it was after the program wound down) of the mechanics cracking open the "gear box" and it as simply a cassette with a short cage derailleur inside. Somehow configured so it could idle, but still, the concept was clean, light and simple. But then again, it could have been an elaborate hoax...
And to bring this back on topic, I would think that setup, with electronic shifting, would rock.
a sensor on a mid-90s audi is not nearly the same as a japanese animatronic derailleur on a bike that sees limited use...132k miles in all weather vs. maybe 500mi a year?
just to touch on the Honda topic...
there were indeed two versions of the internals. The first iteration was the complex design shown in the pic. From what I heard there were a number of issues with it (which led to frequent rebuilds) so the second iteration was basically a DiaB (Derailler in a Box).
I'm not the most brilliant guy here, but why am I the first to post this:
Di2 internal mounted shifter at the cranks. Stick that sucker inside a Honda style front mounted gearbox. No issues. EVER!
Di2 internal mounted shifter at the cranks. Stick that sucker inside a Honda style front mounted gearbox. No issues. EVER!
freecaster used to have a video of Honda's mechanic opening it up and explaining it.
wish i would have saved that video.
wish i would have saved that video.
Mavic's old system was wireless, but it stunk
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The only thing we need to concern ourselves with is: Is Sam Hill rockin' one?
nuff sed.
nuff sed.
I tend to agree. Look at carbon rims- the technology is still developing and getting better, but it's been around for a few years. A carbon Edge mtb rim is what, like $650? More than 4 times as much, even for a really high end alloy rim. Di2 rear mech is $900, so pretty much the same deal there. (Unless the standard for DH is now Super Record 11...in which case, what's another few hundred?) So, yeah, the prices will come down as the technology, processes and manufacturing improve and the need to recoup development costs die down.
But I think electronic stuff and carbon rims are a good example of how the ceiling on the high end keeps rising, but with marginal gains. I.e., bikes aren't more expensive than they were before, but you can spend a lot more money if you want. But like most things, benefit decreases in proportion to cost as you go up.
Ok here is my take on this particular application
For the guy that had the cash to blow... good for you, your going to be replacing that extremly expensive mech every couple runs, its just not meant for this type of abuse.
As far as the DI2 goes.... Its ****ing flawless with the shifting. You have an initial fine tune and thats it... your done..... You just dont misshift anymore.
To the note of the elcetronc being an easier shift.... Hell yeah it is, its kinda scary how much fatigue is in your hands form shifting over a hundred mile ride on the road, you never realize it till you take the DI2 out for a century..... It will suprise the hell out of you what a difference it makes.
The DI2 is also FAST... I mean it shifts effin fast, its scary how quickly the chain will go from gear to gear.
DI2 wont be going mainstream anytime soon, its just too damned expensive. I mean for a full set your looking three grand easy..... not including a cassette. This **** isnt cheap, but there is a niche of people with assloads of money that are buying it up.
To the note of seeing it trickle down to 105..... least ten years....... not enough interest in the DI2 to begin with to bring the price down
For the guy that had the cash to blow... good for you, your going to be replacing that extremly expensive mech every couple runs, its just not meant for this type of abuse.
As far as the DI2 goes.... Its ****ing flawless with the shifting. You have an initial fine tune and thats it... your done..... You just dont misshift anymore.
To the note of the elcetronc being an easier shift.... Hell yeah it is, its kinda scary how much fatigue is in your hands form shifting over a hundred mile ride on the road, you never realize it till you take the DI2 out for a century..... It will suprise the hell out of you what a difference it makes.
The DI2 is also FAST... I mean it shifts effin fast, its scary how quickly the chain will go from gear to gear.
DI2 wont be going mainstream anytime soon, its just too damned expensive. I mean for a full set your looking three grand easy..... not including a cassette. This **** isnt cheap, but there is a niche of people with assloads of money that are buying it up.
To the note of seeing it trickle down to 105..... least ten years....... not enough interest in the DI2 to begin with to bring the price down
what's the point of electronics and no automation. That's like having an auto gear box and still asking the driver to paddle shift. oh wait, it's exactly that!
if that thing came with some accelerometers/tilt meters/some device to measure gradient and multiplex that with speed., and added some automation, that electronic shifter would rock.
Someone shouted innovation, but it's only innovation if it brings something genuinely different AND useful to the table. So it shifts electronically? just how much advantage do you really gain over the old mechs?
but add some automatic actuation based on gradient (or whatever) and now we talking real innovation. Might be better for XC, but it would still rock.
if that thing came with some accelerometers/tilt meters/some device to measure gradient and multiplex that with speed., and added some automation, that electronic shifter would rock.
Someone shouted innovation, but it's only innovation if it brings something genuinely different AND useful to the table. So it shifts electronically? just how much advantage do you really gain over the old mechs?
but add some automatic actuation based on gradient (or whatever) and now we talking real innovation. Might be better for XC, but it would still rock.
Ugh. No thanks. I don't want auto transmission in my car and I sure as hell don't want it on my bike. Electronic, sure, so long as it's not crazy expensive everytime I smash my dérailleur on a rock, but obviously the electronic Dura Ace is intended for an application where that isn't likely.
Tried the DI2 on a road bike yesterday. It's the SH*T for real. Shifting is crazy perfect. Maybe not be suited to MTB riding too much but damn, that thing is crazy fast and precise. It makes a cool electronic sound when you shift too. Kinda like if Robocop had a bike!
