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Evil Sovereign Availabilty?
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my bet is deity
It's a deity
Diety is now doing the single bolt thinner clamp way sexy.
Here's a crappy shot-will get a better one up soon. Doesn't really do the bike justice.
Long frame. I'm using it as my trail ride, not as a street or trials bike. It's built up LIGHT, but tough enough for me...TALAS fork, oldschool XTR cranks/BB, Thomson stem/post, light saddle, Mavic x3.1 rims with Micchie DH tires run UST. Will be replacing them with the DH rims when/if they die. Running 36/22 gearing on a DRS guide.
Also will be putting 8" rotors on when I get a front IS adapter; I know this will call my hardcore-hardtail-ness and skill into question (just like the DH tires), but after riding long downhills on multi-use trails where you have to keep your speed down, the arm pump was getting to me. I'm a hack and proud of it, and I like to be able to stop with less effort and ride over/jump into pointy rocks without worrying about pinches or punctures.
I'd like to change the fork at some point, too...I like the TALAS, but something stiffer with a 20mm axle might be nice. Fox 36 would be primo, but thinking about a Pike, too, given the cost difference and actual lighter weight of the Pike.
Ridden it 3x so far, on shuttled trailrides that all involved lots of climbing along the way with very technical, rocky descents and a few smooth bermy switchbacky sections. As it's longer than my old Nicolai, it doesn't have the same whippy feel on the switchbacks, even with a 16" chainstay setting, but it's far, far more comfortable and climbable. I *wanted* a longer bike so I could have something closer to a real trailbike, and that's exactly what I got...it's just the tradeoff you have to make. It really shines in the rocky technical stuff, but as far as the 'feel of steel,' well, I've never noticed it on anything other than a roadbike. But I like a stiff ride and am notoriously oblivious to some of the subtleties of performance, so take that with a grain of salt.
Looking forward to using it on both true XC rides (as XC as I get, anyhow, but non-shuttled at least) and more big-moves freeridey type stuff (maybe once I've got a different fork and rims).
Geometry, like I said, is long and low...but 'long' only in respect to the type of bike this is. I'd actually consider the long to be more of an average length for me, a 5'11" rider with a long torso. If I was riding street, slalom, or trials (sorry, I have to giggle at the thought of me doing any of that kind of riding competently), the regular would be the ticket (I've ridden a regular DOC, so that's my basis for comparison), but it'd be much too short for the way I'm riding it now. Fit feels good with a 70mm stem, and I'd go 50mm if I was doing exclusively shuttles. Head angle with the 135mm travel TALAS is around 69-69.5 in my best estimation...I miss the super-slack HA of the Nicolai on the descents, but it's better all-around for the trails and climbs. A slightly longer fork would give me some more rake, and I think the BB height would remain acceptable, esp. with one of the adjustable models I'm considering.
Build notes...seattube required a hefty amount of reaming around the pierced/welded TT area-intially couldn't get the post past that point at all-but it was otherwise nice and easy. Drops were easy to adjust and align, and I like the anti-forward-slippage adjuster screws.
And the color absolutely rocks. Bike has drawn lots of attention wherever it's gone, from the new school and the old-school alike, and it's been fun riding it far out in front of people on dual-sussers.
So yeah, I'm really happy with the purchase and looking forward to riding the bike for a long time. It may see several reincarnations as, perhaps, a rigid singlespeed, depending on where my (still anticipated) new job sends me in the world. In my view, it's kind of the modern incarnation of the classic hardtail I've always dreamed of but came to biking too late to own...the Eastern Woods Research bikes.
I'm really glad John P. kept me in the queue for one of the bikes while I was in New Zealand. Thanks, Evil...love the bike.
MD
Long frame. I'm using it as my trail ride, not as a street or trials bike. It's built up LIGHT, but tough enough for me...TALAS fork, oldschool XTR cranks/BB, Thomson stem/post, light saddle, Mavic x3.1 rims with Micchie DH tires run UST. Will be replacing them with the DH rims when/if they die. Running 36/22 gearing on a DRS guide.
Also will be putting 8" rotors on when I get a front IS adapter; I know this will call my hardcore-hardtail-ness and skill into question (just like the DH tires), but after riding long downhills on multi-use trails where you have to keep your speed down, the arm pump was getting to me. I'm a hack and proud of it, and I like to be able to stop with less effort and ride over/jump into pointy rocks without worrying about pinches or punctures.
I'd like to change the fork at some point, too...I like the TALAS, but something stiffer with a 20mm axle might be nice. Fox 36 would be primo, but thinking about a Pike, too, given the cost difference and actual lighter weight of the Pike.
Ridden it 3x so far, on shuttled trailrides that all involved lots of climbing along the way with very technical, rocky descents and a few smooth bermy switchbacky sections. As it's longer than my old Nicolai, it doesn't have the same whippy feel on the switchbacks, even with a 16" chainstay setting, but it's far, far more comfortable and climbable. I *wanted* a longer bike so I could have something closer to a real trailbike, and that's exactly what I got...it's just the tradeoff you have to make. It really shines in the rocky technical stuff, but as far as the 'feel of steel,' well, I've never noticed it on anything other than a roadbike. But I like a stiff ride and am notoriously oblivious to some of the subtleties of performance, so take that with a grain of salt.
Looking forward to using it on both true XC rides (as XC as I get, anyhow, but non-shuttled at least) and more big-moves freeridey type stuff (maybe once I've got a different fork and rims).
Geometry, like I said, is long and low...but 'long' only in respect to the type of bike this is. I'd actually consider the long to be more of an average length for me, a 5'11" rider with a long torso. If I was riding street, slalom, or trials (sorry, I have to giggle at the thought of me doing any of that kind of riding competently), the regular would be the ticket (I've ridden a regular DOC, so that's my basis for comparison), but it'd be much too short for the way I'm riding it now. Fit feels good with a 70mm stem, and I'd go 50mm if I was doing exclusively shuttles. Head angle with the 135mm travel TALAS is around 69-69.5 in my best estimation...I miss the super-slack HA of the Nicolai on the descents, but it's better all-around for the trails and climbs. A slightly longer fork would give me some more rake, and I think the BB height would remain acceptable, esp. with one of the adjustable models I'm considering.
Build notes...seattube required a hefty amount of reaming around the pierced/welded TT area-intially couldn't get the post past that point at all-but it was otherwise nice and easy. Drops were easy to adjust and align, and I like the anti-forward-slippage adjuster screws.
And the color absolutely rocks. Bike has drawn lots of attention wherever it's gone, from the new school and the old-school alike, and it's been fun riding it far out in front of people on dual-sussers.
So yeah, I'm really happy with the purchase and looking forward to riding the bike for a long time. It may see several reincarnations as, perhaps, a rigid singlespeed, depending on where my (still anticipated) new job sends me in the world. In my view, it's kind of the modern incarnation of the classic hardtail I've always dreamed of but came to biking too late to own...the Eastern Woods Research bikes.
I'm really glad John P. kept me in the queue for one of the bikes while I was in New Zealand. Thanks, Evil...love the bike.
MD
wow that is 
worthy, i just got my white diety bar/stem yesterday for my DOC along with the new slim seat collar. Props Eric 
worthy, i just got my white diety bar/stem yesterday for my DOC along with the new slim seat collar. Props Eric Geo #s for those who care:
42.5" wheelbase on the long frame at 16" chainstay setting
Just over 13" BB height with the 135mm Fox TALAS at full extension, 12 5/8" at 90mm travel
23" horizontally from top cap (I cut the steertube down; the tall spacers in the pic are gone) to center of seatpost
Guessing 68.5-69 HA with fork fully extended, 70-70.5 at minimum
42.5" wheelbase on the long frame at 16" chainstay setting
Just over 13" BB height with the 135mm Fox TALAS at full extension, 12 5/8" at 90mm travel
23" horizontally from top cap (I cut the steertube down; the tall spacers in the pic are gone) to center of seatpost
Guessing 68.5-69 HA with fork fully extended, 70-70.5 at minimum
This is my interpretation of an all mountain Clydesdale worthy hardtail (Im 6 feet tall and weigh 245 lbs). Im still experimenting with stem lengths (I have a 70mm stem on order) and rise (hence the crazy stack of spacer) but will be cutting the fork to its final length shortly . I have not logged too much saddle time yet (just a couple of purposefully tame tuning rides) but so far so good.
- Frame: Long Silver Sovereign
- Fork: 05 Manitou Firefly Plus, SPV Evolve, 150mm, 20mm Axle, Extra Firm Ti Spring
- Headset: Chris King
- Stem: Thomson 90mm with 5-degree rise
- Handle Bar: Easton Lo-Rise Monkey Lite CT2 Carbon
- Grips: ODI Lock-On, grip shift length
- Shifters: SRAM 9.0 Gripshift
- Brake Levers: SRAM 9.0
- Seat Post: Cane Creek Thudbuster LT, 31.6mm
- Seat Post Collar: Salsa Lip-Lock
- Saddle: WTB, SST.2K, Ti rails
- Cranks/BB: RaceFace Atlas with DH BB cups
- Rings: E.Thirteen 36T Supercharger, 36T and 24T RaceRings
- Pedals: Crank Bros Mallet
- Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
- Rear Derailleur: SRAM 9.0SL Long Cage
- Cassette: SRAM 9.0 11-32
- Chain: SRAM PC-99
- Wheels: Magura FR UST basically DT Swiss Hugi FR hubs (relabeled Magura) with DT Swiss Champion spokes and the older version of the Mavic 823 rims.
- Tires: Hutchinson Spider UST, 2.1
- Brakes: Avid BB7, 203 Front, 185 Rear
- Total Weight: Roughly 33 Lbs
Mike,MikeD said:
does your 16" CS setting actually measure 16"?
...mine is actually 16-1/8"
Jeezus, you can feel a 1/8" difference in your chainstays? I dunno, I just set them at around 16" for the back dropout and tightened the bolts... didn't care enough to ensure it was exact. End of the tape floats in the dropout, so it might have been a little fore or aft of the exact axle position.
I'll measure again...I'm going down to the garage to true my wheels. (Perhaps these X3.1s aren't long for the world after all!)
MD
I'll measure again...I'm going down to the garage to true my wheels. (Perhaps these X3.1s aren't long for the world after all!)
MD
PowersUSA said:This is my interpretation of an all mountain Clydesdale worthy hardtail (Im 6 feet tall and weigh 245 lbs). Im still experimenting with stem lengths (I have a 70mm stem on order) and rise (hence the crazy stack of spacer) but will be cutting the fork to its final length shortly . I have not logged too much saddle time yet (just a couple of purposefully tame tuning rides) but so far so good.
- Frame: Long Silver Sovereign
- Fork: 05 Manitou Firefly Plus, SPV Evolve, 150mm, 20mm Axle, Extra Firm Ti Spring
- Headset: Chris King
- Stem: Thomson 90mm with 5-degree rise
- Handle Bar: Easton Lo-Rise Monkey Lite CT2 Carbon
- Grips: ODI Lock-On, grip shift length
- Shifters: SRAM 9.0 Gripshift
- Brake Levers: SRAM 9.0
- Seat Post: Cane Creek Thudbuster LT, 31.6mm
- Seat Post Collar: Salsa Lip-Lock
- Saddle: WTB, SST.2K, Ti rails
- Cranks/BB: RaceFace Atlas with DH BB cups
- Rings: E.Thirteen 36T Supercharger, 36T and 24T RaceRings
- Pedals: Crank Bros Mallet
- Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
- Rear Derailleur: SRAM 9.0SL Long Cage
- Cassette: SRAM 9.0 11-32
- Chain: SRAM PC-99
- Wheels: Magura FR UST basically DT Swiss Hugi FR hubs (relabeled Magura) with DT Swiss Champion spokes and the older version of the Mavic 823 rims.
- Tires: Hutchinson Spider UST, 2.1
- Brakes: Avid BB7, 203 Front, 185 Rear
- Total Weight: Roughly 33 Lbs
hey man i got some headset spacers i can sell ya
ROFLOL.........MikeD said:
..what I should have asked was "which set of drops are you using?". When I use the rear-most set, the shortest CS I can achieve is 16-1/8"...lol
...I just went & swapped for the fron set of drops & the shortest CS I could configure (w/ a front der.) was around 15.75" (WB just over 42") Whew...built up as a SS, you can run the CS stupid-short!!
Not sure how well she'll climb tho..../J
EDIT: since we're all shamelessly posting up our porn.....
I know this is a major thread resurrection - but do any of you Monkeys know if the dual position sliding dropouts are compatible with a DOC frame? And if so, would it actually enable the DOC frame to have a slightly longer chainstay length than the stock DOC sliders (that don't have the two position feature of the Sovereign dropouts)?
Oh and does anyone have a spare set of Sovereign dropouts laying around if the answers to my first two questions are both yes!?
Thanks in advance Monkeys!!
Oh and does anyone have a spare set of Sovereign dropouts laying around if the answers to my first two questions are both yes!?
Thanks in advance Monkeys!!
dump do you have both a DOC and two Sovs right?
Maybe we can compare between your Sov and my DOC
I could put mine all the way back in the dropouts and measure from center of bb back to the axle of my wheel and you could do likewise.
I could put mine all the way back in the dropouts and measure from center of bb back to the axle of my wheel and you could do likewise.
If I were trying to see if these two things match, I would probably just trace both sets of dropouts and compare.
Here's are two photos - one includes a ruler lined up with the tab... which is 4cm if you want to try to take rough measurements from the photo. My dropouts are in the rear position, but slid almost all the way forward. Currently at ~413mm. A conservative estimate would be another 13mm... bringing it to around 426mm fully slid back in the 2nd dropout position.
Here's are two photos - one includes a ruler lined up with the tab... which is 4cm if you want to try to take rough measurements from the photo. My dropouts are in the rear position, but slid almost all the way forward. Currently at ~413mm. A conservative estimate would be another 13mm... bringing it to around 426mm fully slid back in the 2nd dropout position.
And wow, I still have it, and have ridden it in two African countries and in India, geared, dinglespeed, singlespeed, rigid, suspended...
(Just was searching for an old post regarding the seatpost shim size and came across this...)
I still have mine! This bike needs to be ridden much more this year.
I sure wish I had a way to upgrade the fork.
I sure wish I had a way to upgrade the fork.
Avalanche may sell a damper kit for that fork...Check their site.
( www.avalanchedownhillracing.com )
( www.avalanchedownhillracing.com )
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I kinda miss mine, altho the replacements are carrying on ok. The Canfield dj is a better dirtjumper, and the DB Mason is a capable trailbike...
Yeah, as a former owner of a sovereign, I have owned a bike similar since then (2007 ish). On a new chromag surface moment which is in the same spirit of the evil w/ some larger wheels.