Fresh V-box pics
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Looks flexy ?
I have to admit that I like the looks of it but then again it is a suntour componet so chances are that it is going to flop just like all of their other parts. But who knows.... maybe they actually have some decent engineers designing thier stuff now. Just take a look at their 7 inch travel fork
That sucker is going to put them on the map!
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That sucker is going to put them on the map!
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looks heavy. oh and that fork....... is a complete joke, enough said
hmmm anybody see anything wrong with this picture. i mean its a dh fork with 7" of travel. it is geard towards the more extreme athelets in our sport aka: dhillers and freeriders. although i see one slight problem. where is the 20mm threw axel. yeh the day i run a sr suntor component is the day i stop biking.
Nah, looks too stiff.dan wask said:
G-BOXX-1 ; G-BOXX-2 and SRSuntour ...??SOil said:
Dear Karl,
I am reading these days a lot about the Suntour gearbox and the GBOXX-1 and now the GBOXX-2 . Can you explain the differences ?? And what the heck is Universal transmissions ?
thanks.
best reg. ..................
Hi ........
this is a long story....
We started in 1999 to develop the G-BOXX-1. The G-BOXX-1 is using 14 speed Rohloff technology and went through different stages of evolution. The 2007 issue of the G-BOXX-1 is available in Juli and compatible to the GCON standard. For technical data and pictures please be patient and keep an eye on www.g-boxx.com.
Since 2002 I was designing a total new technical solution reg. bicycle gearboxes. This design is called V-BOX and it is coming close to a motocycle gearbox. It is using spurgears on different shafts. It is not using chains or a planetary system inside. I patented this system and gave an exclusive licence to the Company SRSuntour in the year 2005. SRSuntour is planing to manufacture and distribute this great gearbox system.
In 2005 I had a good idea to simplify the G-BOXX-1 system and we started the work on the G-BOXX-2. We had to goal to lower the price, weight and number of gears. The first results are very positive and we push the G-BOXX-2 product forward to send out samples in Summer.
This G-BOXX-2 gearbox not using Rohloff parts anymore.
So G-BOXX-2 will not cancel the G-BOXX-1 ...... more or less they are brothers .....Both brothers will be distributed by my own company UNIVERSAL TRANSMISSIONS.
best reg
Karl Nicolai
www.g-boxx.com
posted by G-boxx Techtalk at 5:04 AM
So anybody got a pic of the internals or is it still hush-hush?
There are lots of advantages to be achieved from a central transmission:freeloda said:
1. Less un-sprung mass means better suspension performance
2. More reliable shifting even in mud and sand
3. Centralized mass makes for a better handling bike
4. No more derailleur to get ripped off the back of the bike
5. Easier to design efficient pedaling suspension around one chainline
6. Should require very little maintenance and adjustment
7. Im sure there are others Im just not thinking of
At this time the problems with internal transmission systems seem to be weight, cost, drag, and having to completely redesign frames to be compatible. However, it is the future and I applaud Nicolai for continuing to pursue this technology.
If you want to see something cool check out bcdracing.com. Alex Morgan did a cool centrally mounted cassette and rear derailleur years ago.
pics for lazy guysEVRAC said:
i'm interested to see how well it performs.
DA BOMB will use v-boxx in 2007 season 
it will be expensive and baaad quaility like all da bomb models
it will be expensive and baaad quaility like all da bomb models
According to the 2007 "SR Suntour" catalog (http://www.srsuntour-tuning-base.com/PDF/SRS-catalog07-low.pdf), the total gear range of the 9 speed "V-BOXX-FR9" is 610%. The gear ratios are 0.63, 0.88, 1.29, 1.45, 1.67, 1.80, 2.33, 2.96, 3.84. The weight with crank arms is 3,0 kg. The chainring as well as the sprocket sizes are each 22 teeth.
A little off-topic: The 2006 fork model "SF-CONDOR-TA" as shown above is no longer in the SR Suntour product range, according to the 2007 catalog. However, this fork has an adjustable travel range between 70 and 150 mm (not 7"). It is not intended for freeride but rather for all mountain/enduro use. The adjustable air suspension fork was engineered by "Bionicon" (http://www.bionicon.com) as part of their on-the-fly adjustable "AeroLink" integrated chassis. The "Bionicon BF 1.0" fork is available with a fully adjustable travel of 60-135 mm as well as 70-150mm (http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml?vpID=233&SID=1156538322_c592000000003260bc05). One of the differences to the SR Suntour version is the adjustable, very light Bionicon "Twin-lock" bar direct-mount system. New for 2007 is the 100-200 mm fully adjustable coil/air sprung "Double Agent" upside down fork for true freeride use, with 35 mm inner legs, a hughe-diameter thru-axle (it looks at least as hughe like the 30 mm axle of the "Foes F1 XTD" downhill fork) and a propriatary integrated hub (http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml?vpID=363&SID=1156538322_c592000000003260bc05).
A little off-topic: The 2006 fork model "SF-CONDOR-TA" as shown above is no longer in the SR Suntour product range, according to the 2007 catalog. However, this fork has an adjustable travel range between 70 and 150 mm (not 7"). It is not intended for freeride but rather for all mountain/enduro use. The adjustable air suspension fork was engineered by "Bionicon" (http://www.bionicon.com) as part of their on-the-fly adjustable "AeroLink" integrated chassis. The "Bionicon BF 1.0" fork is available with a fully adjustable travel of 60-135 mm as well as 70-150mm (http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml?vpID=233&SID=1156538322_c592000000003260bc05). One of the differences to the SR Suntour version is the adjustable, very light Bionicon "Twin-lock" bar direct-mount system. New for 2007 is the 100-200 mm fully adjustable coil/air sprung "Double Agent" upside down fork for true freeride use, with 35 mm inner legs, a hughe-diameter thru-axle (it looks at least as hughe like the 30 mm axle of the "Foes F1 XTD" downhill fork) and a propriatary integrated hub (http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml?vpID=363&SID=1156538322_c592000000003260bc05).
Bionicon Ironwood aka the perfect Spaßmaschine.
Agreed. That's too big a range for DH.bcd said:
I'm a bit disapointed.
But there is nothing to keep the enterprising mechanic from modifying the vbox and a shifter to achieve excatly what they want. First production gearbox from a major manufacturer is a very big milestone in cycling. Things can and will only get better from here!EVRAC said:
Agreed again.SuspectDevice said:
This is a big first step.
DA BOMB will use v-boxx in 2007 season
it will be expensive and baaad quaility like all da bomb models
YUP! Also explains the 888 on the one on the suntour stand.
It would be dope if you could change gear ratios at a race, like a quick-change on a race car.
I dont like it at all. looks way more complicated than regular gears.
So far the designs I've seen use the V-Boxx as a stessed-unit part of the frame. Anyone seen any ideas yet nesting it in a frame cradle that doesn't depend on the box for a frame member?
DaBomb is a semi-house-brand for HiBikeDA BOMB will use v-boxx in 2007 season
it will be expensive and baaad quaility like all da bomb models
http://www.hibike.com.tw/htm/company.htm
. . . who OEM, among other things, a lot of Azonic frames including the Eliminator and the Gravity.
also since suntour makes some of marz's castings i bet they give them as many as they need
There's that too
why the hell would you want to do that, it would be such a waste of material, the things weigh enough as it is.