[Peregrinebikes]

Good to know. I hate derailluers too. Unfortunately i think many will be discouraged because of the weight gain. With the Pinion it is going to be an extra 3 to 3.5 lbs between the box and the frame. So if you are use to a 34-35lb 6" trail bike, it is now 37-38. Not sure if that goes over these days with too many. Me i do not care so much.

I like a durable setup that can be counted on to last under heavy use. I know people are riding 35-36lb DH set ups, but that usually means you have to replace stuff often or you do not ride that hard or a lot. I personally can not run these light wheelsets have have them last me a season.

 

[konastab01]

Im a massive gearbox fan still to this day, I wish more companies came out with designs and products... My Lahar is still going strong and I won't be changing anytime soon either.

 

[jstuhlman]

Im a massive gearbox fan still to this day, I wish more companies came out with designs and products... My Lahar is still going strong and I won't be changing anytime soon either.

 

[kidwoo]

But what is the concensus here at this point for serious buyers?

Pedalin's fer queers.

 

[xy9ine]

Im a massive gearbox fan still to this day, I wish more companies came out with designs and products... My Lahar is still going strong and I won't be changing anytime soon either.

my old lahar is still rolling as well. 9 years on the rohloff; no maintenance apart from 1 oil change. though it mainly gathers dust these days (i've gone full enduro). certainly a great proof of concept (carbon & gearboxes) regardless of the aaron shitstorm.

 

[ianjenn]

http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/F1234K,15601/setup,26716?scope=newest&query=Cavalerie

That bike is 33LBS my current XL plastic bike is 31 LBS....

 

[konastab01]

When you've never really tried it you can't really judge it over the internet. Lahar as much as it was marmite bike it fuckin worked.

 

[Peregrinebikes]

http://www.vitalmtb.com/community/F1234K,15601/setup,26716?scope=newest&query=Cavalerie

That bike is 33LBS my current XL plastic bike is 31 LBS....

Yeah i know those Cavalaries are light for what they are. Nice thing with those is the tubes weld up to the box which keeps it lighter vs the Pinion. But than have to build with 7000 series aluminum. In the US, not so easy to come by DH spec'ed tubes. But Pinion's seems to have a good setup and from what i can review, the Effigear has had some issues more so than Pinion.

 

[no skid marks]

the Effigear has had some issues more so than Pinion.

Yeah Pinion came out pretty sorted. Effigear not as much, but I think they've made lots of upgrades since. Pinion is ideal if it suits your needs. I would still get an Effigear if it suited though. Higher output, good for AM/Funduro, or small light two axles box for hard tail or complex sue design.

 

[Peregrinebikes]

Yeah Pinion came out pretty sorted. Effigear not as much, but I think they've made lots of upgrades since. Pinion is ideal if it suits your needs. I would still get an Effigear if it suited though. Higher output, good for AM/Funduro, or small light two axles box for hard tail or complex sue design.

I like the Pinion because it is more compact. Effigear only has the 3 axle design at the moment. And no design as to enable you to bolt it to a frame yet. I have recieved som quotes and stuff from Pinion. So we will have to start making decisions.

 

[no skid marks]

I like the Pinion because it is more compact. Effigear only has the 3 axle design at the moment. And no design as to enable you to bolt it to a frame yet. I have recieved som quotes and stuff from Pinion. So we will have to start making decisions.

I think they have a smaller two axles box now. Maybe they stopped per suing it.

 

[Peregrinebikes]

Talked with them a month ago. No 2 axle design as of yet.

 

[zahgurim]

I built up a touring/road/shenanigans rig a few months ago with a Pinion 12. I like it enough so far that I'll build my next AM hardtail up with one.

For a squishybike, I think that the inboard internal hub (a la Lahar/Zerode) with high pivot is the way to go. Using a Pinion for a design like that will make for a quite heavy frame.

 

[Peregrinebikes]

Yes it will add weight being that the P12 is 2350g / 5 lbs. But it is low and centered so that is as good as you can get it. It obviously will not appeal to those who want a 29-30lb trail bike. But the benefits in shifting performance, maintenance (or lack there of), chainline: these 1X setups really can only go so far. I would like to see the longevity on a 45 rear and 32 front under regular heavy use. They and the chain don't last. Now they are going back to steel ring options because of the wear. I personally find the range is too much of a compromise for my riding. I climb to descend. So i like to have leg strength left over for bomb it down. Can't get that on a 1X.

Everything is a trade off: Light, strong, cheap. Pick two.

I ride a heavier setup and don't mind dealing with it because it lasts under heavy use a long time. I went through the light wheelset phase and got sick of always having to true or build new wheels.

Physics doesn't lie. People riding light weight setups do not ride hard or often. Or pay money and time to replace parts. That is what i have observed and experienced.

I think if more people rode them and experienced the pros, they would forgive the weight. And i have never ridden one. But i knew a high pivot bike is what i wanted without ever riding one until i built it because at the time there was no one making them. (Zerodes were not out when i first started this) Can't remember if Canfield had the Jedi either.

 

[Peregrinebikes]

Here is a video link to the start of the Pinion frames.

pbvid-445567.mp4

 

[allsk8sno]

Awesome to see progress on these!

 

[Peregrinebikes]

Thanks, we have 3 boxes. We will be doing 2 All Mtn frames and a DH frame. Can't wait to get on these! I personally love the benefits they offer over the weight penalty. And the weight penalty is in the best possible place.

 

[allsk8sno]

I ac tutu ally have a spreadsheet with weights system usingthe p.12 and includin g shifter, etc, is about 3000g and a std 2x 10spd is around 2200g and a 1x setup close to 2000g so the difference is only 2-3lbs. This doesn't include any added weight to the frame though, and you loose about 1lb from the wheel, which is nice.

BTW I sent you message on pinkbike.

Thanks, we have 3 boxes. We will be doing 2 All Mtn frames and a DH frame. Can't wait to get on these! I personally love the benefits they offer over the weight penalty. And the weight penalty is in the best possible place.