Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Mocha, I don't know your age, but things back in the 70's were radically different from what they are now. There was still alot of racial tension in the 70's. The black panthers were still active, Mexicans were just a bunch of ditch digging drunks, that whole thing.
I just don't think the situation is as bad as you make it out to be.
I didn't say it doesn't exist, I know it does, I'm the only non white person in my department. Heck that David Duke moron makes a big speech here in town every year, I'd like to see that guy get drug down the street and.......nevermind.Originally posted by Mocha
70's??? Um...I grew up in the late 80's - early 90's. At 33, I'm only a few years older than you. Yes, things are better than they used to be. But if you think racial tension doesn't exist, you're sadly mistaken.
Come on and say it.............................................Get his head blown off:devil:Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Heck that David Duke moron makes a big speech here in town every year, I'd like to see that guy get drug down the street and.......nevermind.
too quick and painlessOriginally posted by Brian HCM#1
Come on and say it.............................................Get his head blown off:devil:
How about starting with removing each finger and toe nail with needle nose pliers:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
too quick and painless
I never joined any of those race clubs either. When asked why I don't......"Well, that's a racist thing to do isn't it" and that is the way I see it. Racism will not stop until EVERYONE drops the issue. Blacks, asians, canadians, EVERYONE. It's a pigment in the skin. It's a different facial feature.Originally posted by ummbikes
I have a feeling that the "race" issue is still going strong. I know that in my community racism is still rampant. I'm of Mexican heritage and also a UK mutt. I have stated before that my Mexican relatives are just as rascist as my Anglo ones. I'm of the same generation as you Mocha and we have seen some progress but there is still room to improve.
That said Affimative Action is a flawed system. I am literally stalked on campus by First Peoples which is my schools minority support agency. They don't understand why I will not join. It's really quite simple, I don't feel like a club who's requirment for entry is racial is right regardless of the intent of the group. It creates a very real division, not just the societal one that lies under the surface.
So what is the solution? Hell who knows? I just know I try very hard to keep an open mind and atempt to not get caught up in the mob mentality of judging people by the color of their skin. It's funny (sad) that it is nearly acceptable to bash Middle Easterns in todays society. Ramble/Rant off...
Lebanese, eh? I really dig hot lebanese action!Originally posted by rbx
i am of middle eastern origin(lebanese) and even in a country as accepting as canada that has really pushed for equality there is still that feeling that your are tolerated but never really accepted.
As for the get trained get hired,imo theres no excuse for being a slacker BUT you have to give every minority a stable nourshiring environnement so they can have a fighting chance in the workmarket and dont have to fight twice as hard to get to the same place as the next guy.
come on now dont be shy!!!Originally posted by Tenchiro
Lebanese, eh? I really dig hot lebanese action!
I mean, erm....
I couldn't agree more. Here's the problem: there's a huge socio-economic division. Even if racism didn't exist, the socio-economic division would. Now socio-economic divisions are perfectly normal in a capitalist society... they should the result of differences in hard-work and natural talent between members of the population.Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Racism will not stop until EVERYONE drops the issue. Blacks, asians, canadians, EVERYONE. It's a pigment in the skin. It's a different facial feature.
I'd disagree there, I think AA tries to make up for environmental inequalities--- leave it to the racists to read what you're saying into it. (not implying anything about you).Originally posted by Tenchiro
What affirmative action does is create the idea that minorities need protection, which implies that they are indeed not equal.
Both ideas are not mutually exclusive, what I was trying to say is that these programs meant to protect people also create ideas. If put a program is put in place to aid or protect a certain class, you are also making a statement that says they are unable to do for themselves no matter what the original intentions were. This goes for all groups, not necessarily racial minorities.Originally posted by patconnole
I'd disagree there, I think AA tries to make up for environmental inequalities--- leave it to the racists to read what you're saying into it. (not implying anything about you).
I think the Kennedy's are a better example.Originally posted by ohio
Being born into wealth provides much greater opportunities (George W is a perfect example).
Senator Robert Byrd is a hell of a lot worse than that douche bag. Tip Oneill's nick name for Byrd was "sheets". I guess if you are a Democrat and an ex-kleagle for the klan, you are allowed a free pass.Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I didn't say it doesn't exist, I know it does, I'm the only non white person in my department. Heck that David Duke moron makes a big speech here in town every year, I'd like to see that guy get drug down the street and.......nevermind.
Sure, they're good too. I didn't pick Bush because he was a Republican, I picked him because he's the "leader of the free world." The next Kennedy that obtains that position will likely be a ripe candidate for the same criticism.Originally posted by stevew
I think the Kennedy's are a better example.
steve
True on both points.Originally posted by ohio
Sure, they're good too. I didn't pick Bush because he was a Republican, I picked him because he's the "leader of the free world." The next Kennedy that obtains that position will likely be a ripe candidate for the same criticism.
There's lots of examples of people obtaining high-powered positions through wealth and privilege... not so many through affirmative action.
It's from Burly Surly's thread "this pisses me off".Originally posted by BMXman
I missed the first part of this thread...I'm guessing this was continued from somewhere else...anyone care to share a link?.....D
Hmmm.........fine then.......Originally posted by patconnole
I'd disagree there, I think AA tries to make up for environmental inequalities--- leave it to the racists to read what you're saying into it. (not implying anything about you).
So you didn't read my post did you?Originally posted by BurlySurly
Hmmm.........fine then.......
I propose that white people whose families made under 30,000 per year be applied to the quotas to be filled under affirmative action.
Well yes, i did, but i was responding to PatConnole.Originally posted by ohio
So you didn't read my post did you?
Yup, our society treats those people like crap too (the line is actually in the teens, not 30k which is middle class).
Better public school funding would address the problem you cite above in an equal/fair/non-discriminatory manner. Unfortunately, there's not much money left over from defense, social security, and tax cuts to pay for that. And what pocket change we do put into education for the most part comes too late and to kids that don't *really* need it.
I agree. The former happens to be a lot more expensive than the latter, unfortunately.Originally posted by BurlySurly
Perhaps this is already the way it is, but i think that if equal money were given to schools in porportion to size, and AA were simply abolished, that would be the only non-descriminitory way.
Originally posted by ohio
I agree. The former happens to be a lot more expensive than the latter, unfortunately.
Which one? Polynesian, Western European, Chinese, or Japanese? It's hard to argue that the latter three are lazy as a culture, and there's not really much left of the original between disease and inter-cultural marriage. Hawaii actually has some great schools, even some great public schools. But non-whites weren't allowed into the good ones until sometime this century*.Originally posted by BurlySurly
the culture they're brought up in
I meant the overall culture of the state. You know, Aloha fridays. Beaches, surfing is life......Originally posted by ohio
Which one? Polynesian, Western European, Chinese, or Japanese? It's hard to argue that the latter three are lazy as a culture, and there's not really much left of the original between disease and inter-cultural marriage. Hawaii actually has some great schools, even some great public schools. But non-whites weren't allowed into the good ones until sometime this century*.
Originally posted by BurlySurly
Hmmm.........fine then.......
I propose that white people whose families made under 30,000 per year be applied to the quotas to be filled under affirmative action.
Actually, the best schools in Hawaii, Damien, and the Punahou school were closed to people of non-hawaiian decent until a few years ago. The Kamehameha school still is. These are private schools, but the Kamehameha school subsidises tuition through land grant revenue.Originally posted by ohio
Which one? Polynesian, Western European, Chinese, or Japanese? It's hard to argue that the latter three are lazy as a culture, and there's not really much left of the original between disease and inter-cultural marriage. Hawaii actually has some great schools, even some great public schools. But non-whites weren't allowed into the good ones until sometime this century*.
*note: basing my understanding of Hawaiian History on Mitchner's "Hawaii" so I won't claim any specific knowledge.
edit: Yes, money isn't always the answer but it definitely helps, especially when intelligent policy is a rare commodity.