[MMike]

I think SK6 is the only person I'll believe...

I know nothign of guitar effects. I have an old crappy BOSS chorus pedal I bought used years ago....that's all I know from effects. I never use them.

What is "flanging?" Is it similar to Chorus?

Like.....what effect is being used in the second solo in Comfortably Numb? I've always thought that was flanging.... but I think you could fake it with chorus.....

 

[Echo]

Not that you'll believe me since I'm not SK6 , but that second solo in Comfortably Numb probably has 7 or 8 effects on it. Generally on any given keyboard patch I am applying at least 3 effects.

 

[MMike]

Not that you'll believe me since I'm not SK6 , but that second solo in Comfortably Numb probably has 7 or 8 effects on it. Generally on any given keyboard patch I am applying at least 3 effects.

LIAR!!

 

[urbaindk]

I'm a big fan of the Big Muff Pi.

 

[urbaindk]

On a more serious note check out:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/fx-desc.htm

Flange - chorus - and phasing are all very similar effects from the technobabbly physicsy point of view. All of them play with 2 sound waves - the original and a copy if you will. The copy is shifted in time so that its frequencies either constructively or destructively interfere with the original wave. The amount of the shift and the volume of the copy relative to the original are what give each their characteristic tone or effect. Shifting the the time shift in a ocillating fashion also comes into play giving the whooshing sound phaser or ringing of a flanger.

 

[narlus]

I think SK6 is the only person I'll believe...

I know nothign of guitar effects. I have an old crappy BOSS chorus pedal I bought used years ago....that's all I know from effects. I never use them.

What is "flanging?" Is it similar to Chorus?

the flanger was popular in the 80s i think. check out any number of Sad Lovers and Giants songs, the gtr player Tristan Garel-Funk loved that device.

also if i'm not mistaken, the beginning of Monster Magnet's "negasonic teenage warhead" uses it.

 

[MMike]

Got any examples using bands/songs that people have actually heard of?

the flanger was popular in the 80s i think. check out any number of Sad Lovers and Giants songs, the gtr player Tristan Garel-Funk loved that device.

also if i'm not mistaken, the beginning of Monster Magnet's "negasonic teenage warhead" uses it.

 

[urbaindk]

Hendrix uses a lot of phaser on electric lady land.

Come as you are - Nirvana - heavy chorus.

Flanger - 80's metal as narlus pointed out.

 

[urbaindk]

I should also say that flangers and phasers sound very similar but phasers are generally more mellow/organic and flangers are more metalic sounding.

A really deep phaser will sound like a jet taking off directly overhead. Whooooooooooosh.....

A realy deep flanger will make you want to pull your teeth.

 

[narlus]

Got any examples using bands/songs that people have actually heard of?

who are you, N8?

 

[urbaindk]

I should also add Hendrix also like him a little Big Muff as well.

 

[narlus]

i dig both the super fuzz and the big muff:

 

[MMike]

who are you, N8?

Ohhhhh you're gittin' a beatin' now!

 

[narlus]

you should follow greg sage's lead, and make your own pedals.

 

[MMike]

mine look like this

I've derailed my own thread

 

[Nick]

Got any examples using bands/songs that people have actually heard of?

the intro to "ain't talking about love" comes to mind.

 

[narlus]

good call.

 

[urbaindk]

HOw about th Envelope Filter - You'd here his on Pete Townsend's guitar solo on "Goin' Mobile".

The Octavider is cool too - Jimmy Page's solo in Fool in the Rain, or Price When Dove's Cry.

Envelope filters are awesome. Where would funk bass be with out the envelope filter, and all 70's porno music (bow wicky chicky) envelope on bass + wahwah on guitar?

Then there's the Isley Brothers - Who's that lady - is pushing the envelope to the edge and then a little bit further. Sounds like guitar getting squirted out the speakers like toothpaste from a tube. Man I love that sound.

 

[Toshi]

http://dellditty.com/?DL=1_3

 

[Zark]

My friend Josh put the guts of a phaser into a Crybaby wha-wha pedal. The results were.....interesting. Being able to control the phase like that makes for some cool solos.

 

[urbaindk]

My friend Josh put the guts of a phaser into a Crybaby wha-wha pedal. The results were.....interesting. Being able to control the phase like that makes for some cool solos.

I do that actually...

I run a BOSS Feedbacker distortion into a Phase 90 into a morely wah - into a DOD multieffects thingy into a marshal valve state 1/2 stack. Crank it all up at once and you get quite a lot of noise.

 

[MMike]

sigh...this is why I was asking SK6......

 

[MMike]

STP, Plush: Chorus and regular amp distortion right?

 

[urbaindk]

I'll go home tonight an listen to comfortably numb and get back with you Monday on what I think it is.

 

[MMike]

THIS effects thread.....

 

[math2014]

Also Electroharmonix POG is cool, polyphonic octave generator!

 

[SK6]

ound it....LOL!!!

I am a huge fan off BOSS effects. I currently use a Flanger, Delay, and I'm am absolutely ga ga over the TU-2 tuner!

The reason why is simple, I have it set up to cut the signal out, while being able to tune right on the spot. So between songs, I can get a real quick check.

Boss pedals are durable and very reliable. Extremely roadworthy.

The delay is real nice, straight forward and like I said, built to last. I have it on an SKB pedal board, so I have it velcroed down. I zip open the case, hook up the in and out, hook up the power, and BAM! I'm gold.

 

[SK6]

I have found that I like to keep effects to a minimum. I use the flanger for songs that require little, if any distortion. That being said, I use Use the tubes in my old VS265R Marshal. They don't make them like that anymore.

I use the amp[s built in chorus, as it does exactly as I need it to do.

As far as hearing effects, ELO, early 80's K.I.S.S...... Judas Priest (Point of Entry)

Many of the 80's hair bands, while many of them had fun songs, to me don't really count.

 

[kidwoo]

i dig both the super fuzz and the big muff:

Some things are worth repeating.


Hey muhmuhmuhmike: If you were cool enough to listen to early van halen instead of that crap hagar(d) adult contemporary BS you've probably got on your ipod that you got personally from steve jobs you yuppified american, you'd hear everything you want to know. Like nick said, ain't talkin bout love is a good one.

Sorry I'm 3 beers deep and n8 and true aren't around to pound on........... you were close by.........

I just ripped the sleeves out of my t-shirt, let me dig through my cassettes and I'll give you some other examples......

 

[urbaindk]

Like.....what effect is being used in the second solo in Comfortably Numb? I've always thought that was flanging.... but I think you could fake it with chorus.....

Like.... I posted a really long detailed explanation of this earlier and the quick reply died. Here's the short of it.

The second solo sounds like it has nothing but a crunchy overdrive distortion, some compression / sustain and an overly healthy amount of reverb. The rest is technique. He holds the notes and wiggles his fretting finger a little to make the notes sustain until they feedback. The compression helps smooth out the transition between note and feedback and makes it sound more harmonic. No special effects that I hear.

Now the intro guitar. That's effected out the wazoo. It's either slide guitar, a pitch bender or some kind of flanger or some combination of all three. Much more interesting than the solo for sure.

 

[H8R]

Shameless plug for my band's hookup:

http://www.jimdunlop.com/


Sweet phasor:

My current favorite pedal:

 

[urbaindk]

That Phase 90 is pretty. Mine is just plain old orange.

 

[Chunky Munkey]

OH I KNOW THIS ONE!

Flangers! That's the guy on the Simpsons that always says, "Well, HEY THERE! Hi-dilly-ditally-ho their neighbor!"

 

[Chunky Munkey]

Flangers... That's also carrying on an extramarital affair right? No wait, that's philanderer. Sorry.

Flange, Chorus, and Phase. These devices were developed to make the psychodelic drugs you take before the concert, work much better and give you a sence of flying about the room while you're flying. Yes?

 

[Ian F]

Like.... I posted a really long detailed explanation of this earlier and the quick reply died. Here's the short of it.

The second solo sounds like it has nothing but a crunchy overdrive distortion, some compression / sustain and an overly healthy amount of reverb. The rest is technique. He holds the notes and wiggles his fretting finger a little to make the notes sustain until they feedback. The compression helps smooth out the transition between note and feedback and makes it sound more harmonic. No special effects that I hear.

Now the intro guitar. That's effected out the wazoo. It's either slide guitar, a pitch bender or some kind of flanger or some combination of all three. Much more interesting than the solo for sure.

I mostly agree, maybe swapping the reverb for some delay/echo.

The intro sounds like slide guitar w/ echo set so it all runs together.

 

[Chunky Munkey]

Okay, ALL jokes aside.

Flanging.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Articles/Flanging/#how

For the mentally and or intellectually impaired, here's a video to show you. This is your brain on Flanger. Any questions?
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Articles/Flanging/flanging.mov

Okay, now for those that would like to know a lot more, here is a link that can explain it all your effects. Pretty helpful I say.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/effects-explained.html

 

[Chunky Munkey]

Pronouncing PARAMETERS

Is it...

Pa - RAM - Mit - Er's
or
Para - METERS, like Larry the Cable Guy would say it

 

[Chunky Munkey]

OOOokay, for all those showing little foot stomp boxes with nobs to turn and countless cords lying around and constant batteries to have to change with a screwdriver... Can you let an old 80's heavy metal headbanger show ya how it's done?

ALL ya need is sump'n like DISH!

Aaaaah yeh, no cords, no batteries, just tons of effects with tons of parameters and tons of banks, all midi controlled by ONE little foot pedal and one 25 foot midi cord that I personally wired inside the pedal and head unit with "PHANTOM POWER!" Aaaah yeh... now dat's sweet. Ya just gotta lud dat!