Nice. He is not a member of Ridemonkey. Im trying to get him to be a member.This my buddy?
I have heard so really good things about the HS. I know that Bruce from Sinister has one and he thrashes it. He has nothing but good words for it. Also heard a few others from talking to them about it that it is fairly burly.Nice. He is not a member of Ridemonkey. Im trying to get him to be a member.
He is most interested in how tough they are. Weight is not a concern. He rides a heavy bike.
Hammerschmidt has VERY slow engagement. There's a ratcheting pawl system of sorts at the cranks with very few engagement points, so if you have a high-end, fast-engaging hub (Hadley, Industry 9, Chris King, Hope, etc), kiss that quick engagement goodbye; it's negated by the slow engagement at the cranks.Only down side from what I can see ( and yes I have looked into it ) is weight and price...
Good point, but I am not called slowMTB for nothing :biggrin:Hammerschmidt has VERY slow engagement. There's a ratcheting pawl system of sorts at the cranks with very few engagement points, so if you have a high-end, fast-engaging hub (Hadley, Industry 9, Chris King, Hope, etc), kiss that quick engagement goodbye; it's negated by the slow engagement at the cranks.
This is correct. No worries if your running DT Swiss hubs, as the engagment is on par.Hammerschmidt has VERY slow engagement. There's a ratcheting pawl system of sorts at the cranks with very few engagement points, so if you have a high-end, fast-engaging hub (Hadley, Industry 9, Chris King, Hope, etc), kiss that quick engagement goodbye; it's negated by the slow engagement at the cranks.
Yeah, but the engagement is still waaaay faster than trying to shift on the front chainring isn't it?Hammerschmidt has VERY slow engagement. There's a ratcheting pawl system of sorts at the cranks with very few engagement points, so if you have a high-end, fast-engaging hub (Hadley, Industry 9, Chris King, Hope, etc), kiss that quick engagement goodbye; it's negated by the slow engagement at the cranks.
wouldn't that pedal suckily? my wife's bullit is epically bobilicious in the granny.I have a buddy who has one on his new Bullit.
that's what i thought, hammerschmidt isn't compatible with all frame typeswouldn't that pedal suckily? my wife's bullit is epically bobilicious in the granny.
It has everything to do with pivot placement.It has nothing to do with the Bullit, or singlepivots, but for the search engine; I am running mine on a Reign X and I have close to no pedal bob. The guys I ride with were the first to comment on how the suspension had no movement as I climbed. For the record, that is with the floodgate off, and includes standing climbs as well as seated. Apparently it's a solid match for my bike.
From previous posts, it was suspected that high-forward single pivots will actually be the worst candidates for Hammerschmidt because they don't pedal well in a small ring. I'm not contesting what you say, because this crap is on a whole level of Nerd that I don't care to learn about, but I would like to see some other people confirm (or challenge) what you say, and why.It has everything to do with pivot placement.
The HS causes your bike to behave like it is in granny gear all the time due to the chain angle.
Your Reign has little bob because it is designed to be less active in the small ring, with the HS it will be less active all the time.
This is of course when it is under pedal load.
A high forward single pivot will tend to act in a similar way.
The ideal candidate for HS has a suspension design that remains active in the small ring.
There's an interesting thread about Hammerschmidt over on MTBR right now. I have a Intense SS and was thinking about getting a set-up. Eric from Competitive Cyclist posted this:Most 1st gen vpp bikes won't work well with the hs either. I have an Uzzi VPX that doesn't pedal well in the small ring compared to the middle... lots of pedal feedback. The high fwd single pivot is definitely a poor choice for a hs too. I know, some riders won't notice... they'll just wonder why their feet keep getting bounced off the pedals during technical climbing and bumpy downhills.
The thread in question is here.E2@CC said:I too was a non-believer that the HS would work on a VPP designed frame. The fact of the matter is that you can only speculate on how it will work until you actually try it out. So a buddy of mine manned up and dropped the coin on a HS and installed it on his SS- and guess what it freakin' works great!!!
The theory on the chainring size is correct- but you also have to take into account that the torque output from being in over drive is capable of overcoming the ill effects of the 24t ring. Now if you shift into the low gear for climbing- yes you get just as much feedback as you'd expect in comparison to running say a 24-36 set-up and pedaling the bike in the 24t. You have to also take into account suspension set-up- too little rebound damping will make any bike want to "bounce or lift" in certain situations, which is also maybe one reason why my buddies bike pedals well- he is using a CCDB. One more thing to consider also is that the SS is not a lightweight "trail bike" i have been running mine with a single 38t ring up front and a 11-32 cassette in the rear for trail use- for DH racing I drop down to a 11-25 cassette. The torque output of the 38t makes for a harder to pedal uphill bike no doubt, but you don't get the bogged down feeling you do if you were running a 32t ring and trying to spin. Just stand and tough it out on the 38t.
Bottom line- it works better than i would have imagined it could. Sometimes people get too caught up in what they've read or heard- and simply start repeating info they have no first hand knowledge on and i think they sort of "create" a false image of how a bike rides because they've been fed all the marketing hype and start to believe it....some people should just ride and enjoy the bike for what it is- a tool to get out and have fun on- rather than getting nit picky about one design being better than another and blaming that on why they can't clean this section of trail or hit that gap or rail that turn etc.. Everyone has their own opinion on what design works best for them, and trust me- having ridden a ton of different bikes, there are things i like and dislike about EVERYONE of them. There is no 1 best design out for every person- period.
Sorry I guess that last paragraph got a little off topic
Later-E2
Did you, by any chance, see the current issue of MBA?hmmmm... single speed and a HammerSchmidt... hmmmmm
No, I will take a look.Did you, by any chance, see the current issue of MBA?