[BurlyShirley]

So yeah, I got a smoking deal on these wheels locally, but what the crap do I do when I get a flat?

I havent got the wheels at home yet, but is there some type of stan's style rim strip that Id have to remove to THEN put in a tube?

And do I need high pressure air to set the bead? If Im on the trail, do I NEED CO2? Or will my hand pump work?

Must I use some Slime inside?

There sure is alot to this bicycle riding crap.

 

[DirtyDog]

A little sealant will make them hold air longer. As for flats, carry a tube with you. Mavic UST wheels have no rim strips.

 

[BurlyShirley]

A little sealant will make them hold air longer. As for flats, carry a tube with you. Mavic UST wheels have no rim strips.

So will I just remove the valve stem somehow to put in the tube? Is that easy? Will I need a tool?

 

[DirtyDog]

So will I just remove the valve stem somehow to put in the tube? Is that easy? Will I need a tool?

Yeah it's that easy. Just unthread the valve nut on the outside and slide the valve up through the rim. No tools necessary.

The one thing about this that is a crapper is that it is almost impossible to get a UST tire seated correctly if you don't use a little soapy water on the bead. You won't have soapy water on the trail so you are going to have low and high spots. No biggie off road but you'll feel it on the road. If you have a long ride back to the car it kinda sucks.

However, the benefits of UST far outweigh these inconveniences.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Ian F]

So will I just remove the valve stem somehow to put in the tube? Is that easy? Will I need a tool?

Probably not, although it depends on how tight the valve is attached to the rim.

It's also possible to patch a UST tire, although I haven't done it myself yet, although I need to try soon for a ride on Monday.

Otherwise, I'm lovin' UST. :love: Not having to deal with tubes or sealing goop is great.

 

[SkaredShtles]

I've simply used tubes in my Crossmax Sls for the last ~3 years. Works very much like every other wheel I've ever had.

 

[Ian F]

The one thing about this that is a crapper is that it is almost impossible to get a UST tire seated correctly if you don't use a little soapy water on the bead. You won't have soapy water on the trail so you are going to have low and high spots. No biggie off road but you'll feel it on the road. If you have a long ride back to the car it kinda sucks.

However, the benefits of UST far outweigh these inconveniences.

True. And although I've seated UST tires with a hand-pump and a lot of soapy water, it's much easier with compressed air. You have to pump it until you hear the "Pop!" and then set your air pressure. I run around 35psi in my Conti Vertical Pro 2.3's and 30 psi in Michie Comp 16 2.5's.

Personally, I've found running low "DH-style" pressures to be counter-productive with UST. It's not required for optimum traction and makes the tire very unstable.

 

[Full Trucker]

About that UST valve stem: there's a small rubber o-ring inside the locking nut that seals the hole. I've found that threading the nut too tightly causes the o-ring to not seal properly. It's a fine line between just right and overtightening that little bastard.

 

[stosh]

Basically all you need to know about UST is they too dont' float.

 

[moff_quigley]

My wheels are built with Mavic x3.1/XM819 rim...which is essentially the same rim used on the XMax XL wheelset. I use a scoop of Stan's Sealant in each tire for good measure. It's not necessary, but it gives me a little extra protection against the thorns around here.

I was able to seat my current tires (Maxxis Ignitors) with a floor pump, but not the Schwalbes I had before. If you fix a UST tire out on the trail I doubt you'll be able to get the tire to reseat with CO2 let alone a hand pump. Your best bet will be to pull the tubeless valve stem and throw in a tube.

I love the UST setup. Doesn't work for everyone, but it works for me.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Good stuff. Im thinking Ill really like these wheels.

To be honest, Ive never owned a true set of high zoot wheels. Ive had tons of XT/Rhyno lites and even some Hadleys on doublewides, so Im hoping I notice a big difference.

 

[DRB]

Basically all you need to know about UST is they too dont' float.

 

[Westy]

I've simply used tubes in my Crossmax Sls for the last ~3 years. Works very much like every other wheel I've ever had.

I've never had a tube last more than a handful of hours. I don't know how anyone can not hate tubes unless your are running super thick ones with slime?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Basically all you need to know about UST is they too dont' float.

Have you ever ridden far enough to be by water and try it? The creek here is AT LEAST 7 miles in.

 

[moff_quigley]

Good stuff. Im thinking Ill really like these wheels.

As long as the freehub holds together they should be pretty sweet.

 

[Westy]

Good stuff. Im thinking Ill really like these wheels.

To be honest, Ive never owned a true set of high zoot wheels. Ive had tons of XT/Rhyno lites and even some Hadleys on doublewides, so Im hoping I notice a big difference.

Order spare spokes now and save yourself the murderous aggravation of having to wait a week or two when one breaks. They are good wheels but spokes will break.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Order spare spokes now and save yourself the murderous aggravation of having to wait a week or two when one breaks. They are good wheels but spokes will break.

Will do. Working at a shop will definitely help w/ stuff like this too, as Ive heard they are pricey.

 

[SkaredShtles]

I've never had a tube last more than a handful of hours. I don't know how anyone can not hate tubes unless your are running super thick ones with slime?

Odd. I get the occasional flat, but usually run my tires sufficiently pressured to avoid them. Are you getting pinch flats mostly? They're just regular ol' tubes with no slime.

 

[SkaredShtles]

As long as the freehub holds together they should be pretty sweet.

Just open it up when it starts to sound like a swarm of angry bees. The freehub on those Crossmax's are *super* easy to maintain.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Order spare spokes now and save yourself the murderous aggravation of having to wait a week or two when one breaks. They are good wheels but spokes will break.

They will? When?

Edit: I really should buy a few extras, just in case.

 

[Westy]

Odd. I get the occasional flat, but usually run my tires sufficiently pressured to avoid them. Are you getting pinch flats mostly? They're just regular ol' tubes with no slime.

A little bit of everything. If I pump the tire over 35 psi I find it to be completely uncontrolable.

 

[SkaredShtles]

A little bit of everything. If I pump the tire over 35 psi I find it to be completely uncontrolable.

Yeah - I run between 35-45 generally. Lower in the front, since the back is my pinch-flat problem wheel.

 

[Westy]

They will? When?

Edit: I really should buy a few extras, just in case.

Everyone I know, including myself, that has Crossmaxes has broken spokes. A significant # of incidents are caused by loose sticks getting kicked up into the rear wheel, something you may not experience in your neck of the woods. Oh and they actually ride their bikes too.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Everyone I know, including myself, that has Crossmaxes has broken spokes. A significant # of incidents are caused by loose sticks getting kicked up into the rear wheel, something you may not experience in your neck of the woods.

Not so many sticks. Lots of rocks and dust, but little in the way of sticks. Of course, most of our trails are groomed like our ski runs.

Oh and they actually ride their bikes too.

Why you........... you........... :mumble: :eviltongu

 

[berkshire_rider]

So yeah, I got a smoking deal on these wheels locally, but what the crap do I do when I get a flat?

I havent got the wheels at home yet, but is there some type of stan's style rim strip that Id have to remove to THEN put in a tube?

And do I need high pressure air to set the bead? If Im on the trail, do I NEED CO2? Or will my hand pump work?

Must I use some Slime inside?

There sure is alot to this bicycle riding crap.

Pick up a set of the Park metal tire levers. They are your best freind when mounting most UST tires. Not sure I would bring them on the trail, but are a *must* for home use.

 

[Ian F]

Pick up a set of the Park metal tire levers. They are your best freind when mounting most UST tires. Not sure I would bring them on the trail, but are a *must* for home use.

I think it depends on the tires. I've installed and removed the Michie's and Contis on my D3.1's with no tools at all. And I've got weak, CAD-monkey hands...

 

[SkaredShtles]

I think it depends on the tires. I've installed and removed the Michie's and Contis on my D3.1's with no tools at all. And I've got weak, CAD-monkey hands...

Yeah - I've found that technique is the most important part of putting on tight tires. Get that bead down in the groove and you're golden.

 

[ghostrider]

I've never had a tube last more than a handful of hours. I don't know how anyone can not hate tubes unless your are running super thick ones with slime?

Word. Tubes suck. If anybody needs any I have two shopping bags full of them, each with merely one or two small holes.

 

[Trainwreck]

As a note, I replaced the Mavic UST stems with Stan's UST stems. They have a removable presta valve core for adding sealant and you don't have to jack with the Mavic o-ring. These stems work great.

 

[habitatxskate]

it is possible to bring soapy water, just simple mix some and through it into a water bottle just in case! you can always use a puddle..

 

[BurlyShirley]

it is possible to bring soapy water, just simple mix some and through it into a water bottle just in case! you can always use a puddle..

Sweet jesus, please stop posting.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Sweet jesus, please stop posting.

 

[Transcend]

Yeah it's that easy. Just unthread the valve nut on the outside and slide the valve up through the rim. No tools necessary.

The one thing about this that is a crapper is that it is almost impossible to get a UST tire seated correctly if you don't use a little soapy water on the bead. You won't have soapy water on the trail so you are going to have low and high spots. No biggie off road but you'll feel it on the road. If you have a long ride back to the car it kinda sucks.

However, the benefits of UST far outweigh these inconveniences.

I tend to just use a little stans on the bead, and a bit of stans in the wheel as well. Helps it seat initially, as well as stay sealed.

 

[Konabumm]

get some stans no tube solution. I bought a set of Mavic's when I got them air was leaking from the nipples. 1 cup of Stans and the problem was gone.

 

[Joe Pozer]

The one thing about this that is a crapper is that it is almost impossible to get a UST tire seated correctly if you don't use a little soapy water on the bead. You won't have soapy water on the trail so you are going to have low and high spots. No biggie off road but you'll feel it on the road. If you have a long ride back to the car it kinda sucks.

However, the benefits of UST far outweigh these inconveniences.

It must depend on the tire brand...the last two UST tires I've run, a Michelin and Maxxis, I did not use soapy water and only a hand pump and they seated without any problems. They don't leak any air either so I've been very happy with UST so far.

What I've had problems with is setting up Non-UST tires to run tubeless. I've never been able to get a non-UST tire to seal, even using soapy water, Stan's and an air compressor.

 

[DRB]

It must depend on the tire brand...the last two UST tires I've run, a Michelin and Maxxis, I did not use soapy water and only a hand pump and they seated without any problems. They don't leak any air either so I've been very happy with UST so far.

What I've had problems with is setting up Non-UST tires to run tubeless. I've never been able to get a non-UST tire to seal, even using soapy water, Stan's and an air compressor.

Two new michelins. The front took me forever to get to air up. The rear went without a problem, no soapy water or anything.

It seems to come down to the individual tire and rim.

I've yet to have an issue on the trail with them but figure I'll just toss in a tube and deal with it when I get back.

 

[DirtyDog]

Here's a UST tip:

Mavic UST valve stems don't have threads on them. Any pump that has been used much at all and has some wear on the rubber seal will have a hard time sealing around the smooth Mavic valve stem. This can really be a problem on the trail. For years, I have been taking a strip of electrical tape, cutting it in half lengthwise, and wrapping it around the top of the valve stem and the nut. This creates a seal that will accomodate just about any pump.

Irritates me when I take my bike to the shop and the shop goons remove the tape (and I notice out on the trail) :mumble:

 

[Joe Pozer]

I've yet to have an issue on the trail with them but figure I'll just toss in a tube and deal with it when I get back.

I do the same thing, I just carry a tube with me and I'll deal with any issues when I get back home. So far I haven't had any problems...

 

[Ian F]

I do the same thing, I just carry a tube with me and I'll deal with any issues when I get back home. So far I haven't had any problems...