so im changing this now since i didnt feel like starting a new topic. so far i have got a couple people saying get the 105 because its strong. Anybody else verify this?
I need myself a new derailleur
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whats the length difference between the mid and short? seeing that the mids 59 and short's 85, hmmmm. is it going to make that much of a difference?
oh yea another question, are there any ultegras in 9 speed? I seem to only find 10 but i assume I can adjust it to work with 9, hmmm
check, saw that 105 for 38, looks like a good price? Do you guys think it will be good for DH and FR? It;s hard to find one for that crap
105s are probably the best choice IMO. Pretty cheap, strong, short and out of the way.captainpolution said:
awsome, i hope it can hold up better than that x9 stuff
my vote is the Ultegra.
yep i like the black better though, more bling ish plus its the same price woooo
the Ultegra 10 is the same for 9 or 10 spd... they work on the same cog width ..captainpolution said:
get the Ultegra if you can, it has wider pivot links and therefore makes it snappier and stronger ... but whatever one you go for, make sure it's a short cage!
Carefull with short cage derailers on mid to high pivot bikes, the short cage rear derailer can not take up as much chain slack, meaning that it could rip off the bike if your high pivot bike has a good deal of chain stretch throughout the travel. Chainstretch is bad for short cage derailers, and sometimes dictates that you need at least a mid cage.
yea thats what i was worried about with that. Ill search around and probably put a topic up asking about itJm_ said:
Yea, defintely got to watch out for the chain stretch. I had it on my cove for a season(fine since chain length stays even on that). But, I just ordered a new bullit frame and I'm going to be using a spare xt instead of the 105.
I love the 105.
Shouldn't be too hard, everything holds up better than X9 stuff.captainpolution said:
I run the Super Shortcage Ultegra and I have never been more pleased with a rear mech (I use it with a standard XT casset....not problems !).
I'm surprised by the comments about the X.9, unless it's a lot different than the X.7 I have. I went through a shimano derailleur just about each weekend, but have had the same X.7 for most of last year.
Anyway, short cages also have a little crisper shift.
Anyway, short cages also have a little crisper shift.
i have a short cage XT on my bullit and it works fine. i'm not sure if the SC 105 is shorter... i think it is.
My teammate runs 105 derailleurs exclusively and always makes fun of me for stepping up to the Ultegra. I don't know if there is much of a difference really but for some reason when it comes time to buy the 105 I can't do it.
Whatever you get, make sure it's shortcage (if it will work with your frame).
Whatever you get, make sure it's shortcage (if it will work with your frame).
I've had the chain stretch problem on a Bullit. Wrecked the chain, derailluer, and several spokes. Beware. I think the XT midcage would be shortest you go with on this type of frame.
That's because some people think some dangly metal pieces last longer than others, when in reality, if you hit any one of these right, they will blow up likeMatt D said:
Kirstie Alley locked inside a donut factory.
That said, I have the best luck with the X9 out of all the other stuff.
Jeremy R said:
its just that metal usualy lasts longer than plastic, AKA sram
yea i used to blow through 4-10 ****mano derialers a season on my dh bike but this xo i have from sram has ticked all last season and is going on my race bike for this season (have 3 other new ones but why use them if the old is still kicking ass)
my x9 i ran on my street bike lasted forever including i failed pedal stall from abubaca onto the derailer. just bent the hanger a wee bit
my x9 i ran on my street bike lasted forever including i failed pedal stall from abubaca onto the derailer. just bent the hanger a wee bit
I just installed an XTR Rapid Rise on sat. It shifts real nice, but I don't know if I'll get used to it being backwards. I need to order some new parts (cable adjustment parts)and I'll get my been going since 2001 XTR derailleur some new life
nice, is this on your karpiel?Brian HCM#1 said:I just installed an XTR Rapid Rise on sat. It shifts real nice, but I don't know if I'll get used to it being backwards. I need to order some new parts (cable adjustment parts)and I'll get my been going since 2001 XTR derailleur some new life
Not to derail the thread, but I hate rapid rise. 
No matter how many times I hear people explain the point, I just don't see it. I have given it a shot with an open mind and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've had rapid rise on my trail bike for more than a year, I am used to it and don't shift the wrong way anymore, I just think it's stupid. I guess (maybe) it makes sense for people who don't know how to shift but I hate not being able to downshift through more than one gear at a time. When people said they wanted someone to "reinvent" the derailleur, rapid rise is not what they meant!! :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:
Anyway, back on topic I've had better luck with the short cage xt or xtr derailleurs than the road versions, the mtb ders are a little more burly and last longer for me than 105 or ultegra.
No matter how many times I hear people explain the point, I just don't see it. I have given it a shot with an open mind and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've had rapid rise on my trail bike for more than a year, I am used to it and don't shift the wrong way anymore, I just think it's stupid. I guess (maybe) it makes sense for people who don't know how to shift but I hate not being able to downshift through more than one gear at a time. When people said they wanted someone to "reinvent" the derailleur, rapid rise is not what they meant!! :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:
Anyway, back on topic I've had better luck with the short cage xt or xtr derailleurs than the road versions, the mtb ders are a little more burly and last longer for me than 105 or ultegra.
Yep it is.captainpolution said:
well, you go ahead and keep thinking that.captainpolution said:
hmmmmm i thinkie you should get sram X7.0 or X9.0 or XO
It's more or less an experiment, I'm not really sold on the concept myself. It's been sitting in a box for a year now, so what the hey.OGRipper said:Not to derail the thread, but I hate rapid rise.
No matter how many times I hear people explain the point, I just don't see it. I have given it a shot with an open mind and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've had rapid rise on my trail bike for more than a year, I am used to it and don't shift the wrong way anymore, I just think it's stupid. I guess (maybe) it makes sense for people who don't know how to shift but I hate not being able to downshift through more than one gear at a time. When people said they wanted someone to "reinvent" the derailleur, rapid rise is not what they meant!! :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:
Anyway, back on topic I've had better luck with the short cage xt or xtr derailleurs than the road versions, the mtb ders are a little more burly and last longer for me than 105 or ultegra.
Brian HCM#1 said:
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts after you get used to it. They talk about damaged chains and stuff, but I haven't messed up a drivetrain due to a poor shift in like 15 years. On the other hand, it's very often that I want to downshift through two or three cogs at once and you can't do it with rapid rise. I don't remember needing to upshift through that many cogs at once, even on a downhill bike. Maybe it's just a personal preference thing and I'm just crusty...
I got over 2 runs on my first X9 derailleur, nearly a day and a half on the second one, and then after upgrading to X7, I got 6 months of rockless DHing in before it too shat the bed after seeing a rock. Comparitively, I got 2 years out of an XT before it got sloppy (never managed to bend/break it), and similar stuff from all my other Shimano derailleurs (yet to ever break one, they do like to kill hangers though). I've also watched literally everyone I know with Sram derailleurs go through them like nobody's business - about a month ago, I was riding with a guy who had an X9 break on him, so he replaced it that night, and the brand spanking new one was bent the very first run the next day. And no, he's not a hack. Another guy I know has killed a few in the space of about 4 months, in fact I am yet to meet anyone who has made theirs last more than about 2 months with an X9 derailleur. When people break Shimano derailleurs (at least the guys I ride with) it's actually a somewhat uncommon occurrence. Break a Sram one and nobody even blinks. They shift nicely, don't bounce around etc, but they're just way way way too flimsy for DH applications. I'd happily run one on an XC bike or whatever, but not for DH. Do a search for "X.Plode"Matt D said:
Funny, I spent an ENTIRE season on one X9 derrailleur (minus one race). The same derrailleur will be going back on for the beginning of this season. It hasn't bent, twisted, exploded, loosened up and still has razor sharp shifts.thaflyinfatman said:I got over 2 runs on my first X9 derailleur, nearly a day and a half on the second one, and then after upgrading to X7, I got 6 months of rockless DHing in before it too shat the bed after seeing a rock. Comparitively, I got 2 years out of an XT before it got sloppy (never managed to bend/break it), and similar stuff from all my other Shimano derailleurs (yet to ever break one, they do like to kill hangers though). I've also watched literally everyone I know with Sram derailleurs go through them like nobody's business - about a month ago, I was riding with a guy who had an X9 break on him, so he replaced it that night, and the brand spanking new one was bent the very first run the next day. And no, he's not a hack. Another guy I know has killed a few in the space of about 4 months, in fact I am yet to meet anyone who has made theirs last more than about 2 months with an X9 derailleur. When people break Shimano derailleurs (at least the guys I ride with) it's actually a somewhat uncommon occurrence. Break a Sram one and nobody even blinks. They shift nicely, don't bounce around etc, but they're just way way way too flimsy for DH applications. I'd happily run one on an XC bike or whatever, but not for DH. Do a search for "X.Plode"
That one race I was on a freebied XO, and I managed to land derrailleur first on a rock (don't ask). In that case, any mech would have given up the ghost.
Anyone who says they go through them every month etc is either a) a hack or b) lying or c) riding in extremely rocky terrain or d) extremely unlucky with what they slam into (usually correlated closely with A).
The bottom line is poeple have their preferences, some prefer Shimano and some prefer Sram. It's the old Chevy vs Ford thing.
sram stuff is thee sh*t
I have to admit that i am running a full Saint bike with XT shifters, and love the fact that i can come blasting out of the woods into an open section and jam down 2-3 gears at a time and mash the pedals.. if i get hung up in a technical section and need to upshift all 9 gears, then i just release the tension on the cable and in one full pedal stroke it's at the top of the gears..OGRipper said:
It does take some getting used to, just like going from an automatic to the manual car, but personally, it's worth it.
can i have yer set-up?
thats x7 and x9 to you buddycove rider said: