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Hospital admits to burning aborted babies in waste incinerator
By JAMES SLACK Last updated at 22:00pm on 23rd October 2006

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Addenbrooke's Hospital

Addenbrooke's Hospital: Burning babies in an incinerator after the crematorium started charging
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One of the country's leading hospitals is throwing aborted babies into the same incinerator used for rubbish to save only £18.50 each time, it has emerged.

Addenbrooke's Hospital, in Cambridge, said it was no longer able to afford the dignified disposal at a local crematorium of foetuses from unwanted pregnancies.

Instead, they are being burnt in the hospital's main incinerator - which is normally used for rubbish and clinical waste.

The revelation sparked anger and distress among church leaders and pro-life groups, as well as women whose pregnancies were terminated at the hospital.

Addenbrooke's adopts a different policy for unborn babies which are miscarried before 24 weeks.

They are either cremated at a crematorium , buried at a cemetery, or passed to the parents if they wish to make their own arrangements.

Dr Anthony Russell, Bishop of Ely, said: "I am sorry to know this is the practice currently being adopted by the hospital. I recognise there is a wide range of responses to this issue, but believe the disposal of foetuses should be undertaken reverently and with dignity."

Pro-life groups claim that, while not illegal, it goes against the spirit of guidelines issued by the Royal College of Nursing.

The RCN's guide, Sensitive Disposal of all Foetal Remains, says disposal alongside clinical waste is 'completely unacceptable'.

It adds: 'It is acknowledged that sometimes parents don't recognise their loss at the time, but may return months or even years later to enquire about the disposal arrangements.

'Therefore, it is important to respect the wishes of parents who may not want to be involved, but to ensure also that sensitive and dignified disposal is carried out.'

Lisa Wilson, of the ProLife Alliance, said: "What absolute horror. Has our society lost even a minimum concept of the humanity of the unborn child and the respect due to these tiny victims of our ruthless legislation?"

Michaela Aston, spokesman for pro-life charity Life, said: "The fact they are now disposing of human remains like they would any other waste product shows what society and this hospital has come to.

"It is just so disgusting. What has happened to the dignity of the human being? It reflects increasingly certain people in society's attitudes to the unborn child just flushing them away, or burning them like any other waste. How can we let this happen in a civilised society?"

One local woman, who asked not to be named, said after the heartache of deciding to have an abortion she was mortified to find the hospital had used the same furnace they burn rubbish in to incinerate her terminated baby.

She said: "I am furious and very hurt. Imagine my horror when I discovered that my baby was incinerated in the same furnace as the hospital rubbish."

Hospital managers said they had to take the decision after 'significant increases' in the fees charged by Cambridge City Crematorium, where they were previously buried or cremated.

The hospital, under pressure along with the rest of the NHS to make millions of pounds of savings, said it was trying to be 'careful with the use of limited resources'.

In June, it emerged cash-strapped health chiefs had to cut a total of £28 million from NHS spending in Cambridgeshire.

The so-called 'turnaround plan', aimed at clawing back a forecast debt of £45.9 million, forced Cambridge City and South Cambridgeshire Primary Care Trusts take a scalpel to demand savings of £15m from Addenbrooke's. This is despite the hospital having a surplus of £3.5m at the end of the last financial year.

The reduction was to be achieved 'by treating fewer people and working more efficiently'. An Addenbrooke's spokesman said aborted foetuses used to be cremated free at Cambridge Crematorium but a price rise to £18.50 in 2005 forced the hospital to use its own incinerator.

She said rubbish was not disposed of at the same time as foetal tissue and the incinerator was booked in advance.

A white sheet is placed over the front of the furnace and the process is witnessed by two members of staff working in bereavement care.

In a statement, the hospital added: 'The arrangements Addenbrooke's has in place to dispose of unwanted foetal tissue comply with the recommendations of the Retained Organs Commission (ROC).

'Following the termination of unwanted pregnancy, foetal tissue is disposed of within the hospital incinerator in a sensitive and respectful manner.

'The incinerator is cleared of all other material, and no other waste is dealt with at the same time as the foetal tissue.

'The process is organised and witnessed by two members of staff who are specialists in bereavement care.

'Until recently the hospital used the services of Cambridge Crematorium, but due to significant rises in the cost we are charged, this option is no longer open to us.

'This comes at a time when we have to be careful with the use of limited resources, and we have had to consider other options which comply with the ROC guidance.

'Patients undergoing termination of unwanted pregnancy are informed that disposal will be within the hospital. If patients request additional information, they are put in touch with a member of the bereavement team who meets the patient and discusses in detail the arrangements.'

'We hope to have further discussions with the crematorium and the City Council to consider affordable alternatives.'
 

BurlyShirley

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Of course the only possible reason a woman could want an abortion is because she's a selfish cow.:rolleyes:
Well obviously she's not selfish VB, I mean christ, look how mad she got when they torched the baby she just had killed. Obviously its welfare is first and foremost on her agenda.:clue:
 

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Well obviously she's not selfish VB, I mean christ, look how mad she got when they torched the baby she just had killed. Obviously its welfare is first and foremost on her agenda.:clue:
Perhaps in her case if she'd carried the baby to term it would have endangered her life or perhaps the baby was going to be born severely handicapped. Point is, who knows.
 

BurlyShirley

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Perhaps in her case if she'd carried the baby to term it would have endangered her life or perhaps the baby was going to be born severely handicapped. Point is, who knows.
So she's not selfish if she kills a retard baby she doesnt want to deal with? Or are you just sayin retards are better off dead?
 

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So she's not selfish if she kills a retard baby she doesnt want to deal with? Or are you just sayin retards are better off dead?
Perhaps it was going to be born without a brain or the kind of spinal bifida that kills you before you're 2 or an incurable heart defect.
 

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Perhaps in her case if she'd carried the baby to term it would have endangered her life or perhaps the baby was going to be born severely handicapped. Point is, who knows.
Or could have been the person that finds the cure for cancer. Who knows? There's only one person that knows what that baby's destiny was and that is why abortion should not be an option of convenience. We cannot know the implications of such a decision.
 

BurlyShirley

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Or could have been the person that finds the cure for cancer. Who knows? There's only one person that knows what that baby's destiny was and that is why abortion should not be an option of convenience. We cannot know the implications of such a decision.
Who is the one "person" who knows that, and why doesnt he speak up?
FYI, you cant beleive in destiny AND god, they're mutually exclusive. Technically speaking.
 

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Or could have been the person that finds the cure for cancer. Who knows? There's only one person that knows what that baby's destiny was and that is why abortion should not be an option of convenience. We cannot know the implications of such a decision.
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For christ sake, that was my whole point. Reading that article we have no idea why the women quoted had an abortion. We shouldn't assume it was becuse she was a selfish bitch:bonk: :banghead: :bonk: :banghead:
 

BurlyShirley

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For christ sake, that was my whole point. Reading that article we have no idea why the women quoted had an abortion. We shouldn't assume it was becuse she was a selfish bitch:bonk: :banghead: :bonk: :banghead:
Why? You assume every conservative is either a jesus freak or a money grubbing a-hole.
 

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Why? You assume every conservative is either a jesus freak or a money grubbing a-hole.
Actually, I think every conservative should have been aborted at birth.
BTW, that movie looks retarded. Who's gonna wanna see a movie with graphic battle scenes, nudity and sexual scenes.
 

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There's only one person that knows what that baby's destiny was and that is why abortion should not be an option of convenience. We cannot know the implications of such a decision.
Well, if we're talking about destiny, then I think it's pretty clear cut that this baby's was to be aborted
 

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Or could have been the person that finds the cure for cancer. Who knows? There's only one person that knows what that baby's destiny was and that is why abortion should not be an option of convenience. We cannot know the implications of such a decision.
It could have also been the next Hitler. A decision not to have an abortion in the early fall of 1888 led directly to the genocide of millions of Jews, gypsies, and "undesireables".

Besides, if God is omnipotent, as BS already pointed out, he WANTED the abortion to happen. Go blame him.
 

Westy

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It could have also been the next Hitler. A decision not to have an abortion in the early fall of 1888 led directly to the genocide of millions of Jews, gypsies, and "undesireables".

Besides, if God is omnipotent, as BS already pointed out, he WANTED the abortion to happen. Go blame him.
God isn't omnipotent, he had a kid.
 

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Why do we place such a high value on what happens to our dead bodies anyway? It's religious superstition that has been passed on from generation to generation. Even if you believe that your soul goes on to heaven, would that be hampered by having the body burned vs. buried? If there's something to be worried about, it's that we aren't finding efficient ways to use dead bodies as energy sources or some other good use.
 

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Besides, if God is omnipotent, as BS already pointed out, he WANTED the abortion to happen. Go blame him.
The freedom to make our own decisions was God's greatest gift to humans. Wether or not we choose to make wise decisions that honor that freedom falls on us. While God is omnipotent, the decision for an abortion is a wholly human action.
 

BurlyShirley

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The freedom to make our own decisions was God's greatest gift to humans. Wether or not we choose to make wise decisions that honor that freedom falls on us. While God is omnipotent, the decision for an abortion is a wholly human action.
Fine. So there is no such thing as destiny then.
 

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The freedom to make our own decisions was God's greatest gift to humans. Wether or not we choose to make wise decisions that honor that freedom falls on us. While God is omnipotent, the decision for an abortion is a wholly human action.
Question:

If god is omnipotent and omniscient, doesn't god already know what choices we will make? So, couldn't god write a book of all the choices you will make in your life? Then, couldn't god give you that book and allow you to read it? The answer to all those questions is "Yes." So, here's the real question. If you read that book, would you still have the free will to make a different choice than what god had written down?
 

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what we should be doing is stacking bodies in large composting machines and creating some sort of energy for the robots to power off of..........





no, really.... I'm with G Funk on this one.

The living place too much psychological value on the bodies of the dead.

I have a feeling that when I'm dead..... I won't care.
 

Old Man G Funk

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I have a feeling that when I'm dead..... I won't care.
Logically, I would think that would hold true with many religious people as well. If a Xtian's soul is in heaven, what does that soul care about the vessel that carried it around separate from being in god's presence while on the Earth? This is something I've never understood.
 

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The freedom to make our own decisions was God's greatest gift to humans. Wether or not we choose to make wise decisions that honor that freedom falls on us. While God is omnipotent, the decision for an abortion is a wholly human action.
So, you support not aborting Hitler then? Been hanging out with Mel Gibson lately?

By the way, that arguement makes no sense. If God is omnipotent, and he throws up his hands and says, "I can't intervene" then he's a cosmic version of Pontius Pilate.
 

BurlyShirley

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what we should be doing is stacking bodies in large composting machines and creating some sort of energy for the robots to power off of..........





no, really.... I'm with G Funk on this one.

The living place too much psychological value on the bodies of the dead.

I have a feeling that when I'm dead..... I won't care.
I think alot of it comes down to a feeling of "self worth" too. For instance, a tombstone is just a monument like the statue of saddam. People want to think they'll be remembered. Of course, after a generation or two (unless you're a Da Vinci, Hitler, Washington) you'll be completely forgotten no matter what. I agree its a waste. My wish is to be left in the woods for animals to eat or put inside the jump of a motox track:banana: