More Great Troop "Support" from the VA.
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"Veteran Affairs staff really dont ... have the time to do the extensive testing that should be done to determine PTSD, Perez wrote. "
Yet we have the time to leave everything behind to go over ther....?
what a bunch of b.s.
Yet we have the time to leave everything behind to go over ther....?
what a bunch of b.s.
I am hiring an lawer right now for just that with the military.
pffft. I wish they could actually support the troops for once, just like the rest of us Americans are doing. For example, I have TWO easily removable "support our troops" magnets on the back of my SUV. 
i think he meant for the 40 days of lent
Sounds like Mission Accomplished to me.
the standard operating proceedure here is to claim all kinds of (mostly bogus) disabilities when one leaves active service.
here it's usually a back/neck injury... it hurts unbearably bad up until th VA approves disability..... then it's suddenly HEALED!
That seems to me a perfectly good reason to deny care and coverage to those that desperately need it after giving their mental or physical health to their nation's foreign wars.
We should also allow public insurance companies to stop covering civilians with legitimate claims because at times they have to deal with fraudulent ones.
I love when N 8 gets slapped down so eloquently.
are we reading the same thread? where did n8 say claims should be categorically dismissed? like so many gov't programs, this one [disability eval] lacks the appropriate oversight.
again, all i have to do is send in a copy of my dd214 to st louis to get my medical records, drive to denver to see a va doc, & fill out about 3 forms & i get grocery & gas money for the rest of my life. all b/c i had 0 degrees float in my clipless pedals on my mtb which slowly tweaked my knees when i rode after work. this injury happened outside of the course of duty. [the hernia did happen on duty]
how does no one else get this?
i've seen this from the inside, and the article and many of the posts in this thread are misleading.
as stinkle alludes to, the military has a giant socialist support system within it, service connection. as PTSD is a diagnosis largely based on symptoms that patients tell the physician (or psychologist in this case), it's a hard call to make, since making that call and putting that diagnosis in the chart means a free ride.
needless to say many people try to abuse this system. so what did we do? not diagnose people with PTSD?
no.
instead, people wouldn't get diagnoses IN THE CHART until someone had pored through their service record to see if they actually had been in live combat, or had been raped or other such trauma.
if they didn't have said documented history of trauma in the service then they may well have PTSD, but it wasn't from their time in the military so the government should NOT be footing their bill for the rest of their years.
it's really a reasonable policy, and before the above footwork is done the vets still get mental health care. they just don't get a check in the mail or a diagnosis nailed down on paper.
as stinkle alludes to, the military has a giant socialist support system within it, service connection. as PTSD is a diagnosis largely based on symptoms that patients tell the physician (or psychologist in this case), it's a hard call to make, since making that call and putting that diagnosis in the chart means a free ride.
needless to say many people try to abuse this system. so what did we do? not diagnose people with PTSD?
no.
instead, people wouldn't get diagnoses IN THE CHART until someone had pored through their service record to see if they actually had been in live combat, or had been raped or other such trauma.
if they didn't have said documented history of trauma in the service then they may well have PTSD, but it wasn't from their time in the military so the government should NOT be footing their bill for the rest of their years.
it's really a reasonable policy, and before the above footwork is done the vets still get mental health care. they just don't get a check in the mail or a diagnosis nailed down on paper.
We ALL get it. If THAT is the problem, fix THAT problem. You don't fix it by making everyone else suffer.
edit: to be clear about what IT is. There are processes/loopholes that facilitate fraud. The fix is to address the specific processes (as Toshi described), not to block or impede the general process. Until you close those holes, everyone gets service, deserved or not. In this country we (in principle) don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, and we should ashamed for denying service to those who have so directly served our country.
all i'm saying is any va benifits need to be justified. Not saying that denying beni's is a good thing, but procedure to make sure claims are legit is.
THAT problem is intractable. if a member is "owned" by the gov't (getting tatted up could get you charged w/ destruction of gov't property), has little to no say in where they get assigned, and therefore can make a strong argument that the gov't is complicit to injury while "on duty" (members are 24x7), it'll most likely remain status quo.
the only unclaimable injuries i'm aware of is getting banged up while drunk, and even then it's subject to appeal upon separation.
It is a sick fact that there are folks out there who will exploit the system, and those who get ****ed by it because they arent knowledgeable about it, dont care enough until it is too late, or get hosed because soemone losses their records.
This crap goes on all over the work world, not just in the military...
This crap goes on all over the work world, not just in the military...
Holy crap!
I have sleep apnea
Seriously though, at what point does something become illegitimate in alot of these cases? My left knee is wrecked. It aches day and night and I've never injured it. The most likely case, IMO, is that the toll of the multitude of loaded humps I've completed over my MC enlistment probably did most of the damage.
Could I go back to the VA and try to get compensation? Probably. Would I do that? No. But maybe it would be justified.
As for PTSD, Id also add that there are plenty of scenarios in military life which could induce quite a bit of mental trauma, but be well outside any combat zone. Aircraft crash, watching a suicide, automobile accident, etc.
i'm conflicted as well. while i want to maximize my role as a provider, i want to raise my daughter to know that life will be hard & unfair, and there will be opportunities to "make up for it", but also want her to find honor in herself w/o being prideful about it or looking down on people like i obviously do
i'm guessing it was a dude for it to warrant ptsd