http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/giro08/tech.php?id=/tech/2008/features/giro_ditalia208
Hot, I like the finish on the levers...
Hot, I like the finish on the levers...
my bad, it looks like the levers still have hand work done to themWell, it's pretty flippin' close. And from what I've seen, the derailleurs, etc, have the Shimano part #s on them, like production parts...
Oh, yeah, the levers, especially the inner shift one, don't look done. Probably still tweaking some shapes.my bad, it looks like the levers still have hand work done to them
I remember when the 8spd group (I think) had it's own leverage ratio, so the shifters only worked with the right derailleurs, so it's not without precedent.And not compatible with previous gruppos, either.
Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.I remember when the 8spd group (I think) had it's own leverage ratio, so the shifters only worked with the right derailleurs, so it's not without precedent.
I agree up to a certain point, but if they (and I don't know either way) have tweaked/changed/upgraded/perfected some aspect of the group, I can understand why. They've certainly dropped a ton of weight.Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.
Well if you could guarantee yourself a huge profit every few years by exploiting the wallets of elitist roadies, who always seem to need (or at least be willing to waste the money on) the latest/greatest junk coming out so they look cool in front of their friends, why wouldn't you? It's not like there aren't plenty of other options out there of old stuff for people who just want to go riding.Yeah, but unless it's going to be a shifting revelation, it's just another way to make money.
Oh goody...build a better mousetrap for noob cross-chaining goodness...Is it 10-speed? or more? Doesn't Shimano own the patent on a 14 cog cassette?? I thought I read that somewhere.
Good point, on my road bike I can't run middle ring to smallest cog because the ramps try to upshift the chainOh goody...build a better mousetrap for noob cross-chaining goodness...
I'm king of the cross-chain.Good point, on my road bike I can't run middle ring to smallest cog because the ramps try to upshift the chain
Its the compact crank, not the frame......I have no problem on my cross bike, only the roadie (std. on the roadie)I'm king of the cross-chain.
But with the compact it's not too bad, guess my chainstays are exactly the right length...
You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flatWhat kind of pussy uses the small ring anyways?
I've got hills and I locked mine out.You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flat
Ain't that the truth. Not that I fault them for doing it, but it's so poorly disguised as a way to sell more parts for something that intrinsically lasts a long ass time.Well if you could guarantee yourself a huge profit every few years by exploiting the wallets of elitist roadies, who always seem to need (or at least be willing to waste the money on) the latest/greatest junk coming out so they look cool in front of their friends, why wouldn't you? It's not like there aren't plenty of other options out there of old stuff for people who just want to go riding.
Silver's never sarcastic, ever.You never use your middle chainring? Impressive, or you live someplace flat
On the bright side, I'll never be able to afford Record...so that solves that dilemma...Ain't that the truth. Not that I fault them for doing it, but it's so poorly disguised as a way to sell more parts for something that intrinsically lasts a long ass time.
Speaking of proprietary, I read somewhere that Campy is now going to go to 11 speed for the new Record. Joy of joys.
I was refering to the similarties of center section and the end knuckles of the new Dura Ace , compaired to the older XTuh, it's just you. they're both derailleurs, and they both have cages, sure.
Key word there.I was refering to the similarties of center section and the end knuckles of the new Dura Ace , compaired to the older XT
Estetically the new DA kit doest do it for me , it just looks like recycled MTB designs from the late 90's with some carbon thrown in to help save weight .:huh:
The shift stroke for the rear derailleur has been reduced by 20 percent for quicker shifts, but a 7800 rear derailleur will work with the new group and vice versa.
Though cyclingnews' article says that they aren't compatible.Ohh snap!!
http://www.velonews.com/article/76923
...and for those who were losing sleep/thought they had uncovered Shimano's conspiracy to sell more derailleurs:
This stuff is looking sweet. Hollow chainring? That just blows my mind.
While the new cable pull ratios may mean better performance for this newest generation of Dura-Ace componentry, it also unfortunately means that 7900 shifters and derailleurs will not be compatible with earlier versions.
It's not just exchange rates (Shimano and SRAM have it a bit easier than Campy, who sells in Euros), but the cost of raw materials is going up.A little birdy told me that the cost increase maybe as much as 25% over the 7800. I guess a combo of exchange rates and catching up with SRAM and Campy.
I think that your little birdie might be on crack.All I know is a little Birdy told me, the new DA is going to be Rapid rise, to make it compatible with the electronic systems!!!!!
I think that your little birdie might be on crack.