Me neither, mine definately doesnt buck!
Even with a muppet like me not picking lines.
New Karpiel build
- Thread starter demo 9
- Start date
Even with a muppet like me not picking lines.
I'll take some snow on the eastcoast..........over massive forest fires, earthquakes, floads, unbarable heat, and landslides......Ahhhhhhhhh the beauty of living in California
nice bike. What do you have lined up to replace it in a couple months???
Did you read my message in the email, that one diagram was backwards. Right now you're in progressive and about 8.75" of travel. With the lower shock bolt rotated closer to the BB give you max travel.
Have you ever stopped to think that the Armageddon may have been too much bike for you to handle? I still feel the Armageddon was one of the bikes for the technical nasty terrain, where you don't even need a good line to clear the difficult sections.I hope your Karpiel Rides better than the POS Amragedon I had in 2000.
Drifter..........................................
easy brian, he was/still is drunk. 
what's the difference between the new army and new disco? they look pretty similar outside of the removable vs. permanent seatmast, and the weights are simlar. I really do dig the looks of the new frames...is chrome a factory color? Any plans to update the apoc with the newer style linkages?
what's the difference between the new army and new disco? they look pretty similar outside of the removable vs. permanent seatmast, and the weights are simlar. I really do dig the looks of the new frames...is chrome a factory color? Any plans to update the apoc with the newer style linkages?
The Armageddon which I'm hoping will be available by summer is virtually identical to the Disco, with the exception of the seat tower. The Apocalypse hasn't really change, however it does now have the 12x150mm swingarm.easy brian, he was/still is drunk.
what's the difference between the new army and new disco? they look pretty similar outside of the removable vs. permanent seatmast, and the weights are simlar. I really do dig the looks of the new frames...is chrome a factory color? Any plans to update the apoc with the newer style linkages?
I am hoping nothing, and as much as id hate living in those conditions, wouldnt you like to ride some nice warm DH right now? i know i would
demo 9, congrats on your new ride! the bike looks sweet. i have had my disco for almost a full season now and have been loving it. i have been racing on it and some freeriding but the new design is much more of a race bike than the previous ones. i don't think you will be disappointed at all. i have had time to do a lot of experimenting with the settings so feel free to contact me if want some suggestions. enjoy
You should have used a 7"-8" fork, and not a Big Foot or Monster. My Armageddon BB is at 14.5, so I think it was you. Please stop blaming it on your bike due to your lack of knowledge and proper set up ability.
don't let him get you riled up. he's an angry drunk from Buffalo
in reality, this is all a moot point for a number of reasons. some of which i don't care to go into detail. the main thing is, that was then, and this is now. while the M1 and M6 are probably a closer comparison to one another than the old Armageddon and the new one, but the point is still the same. anyone who has ridden an M1 and an M6 notice the differences right away and would easily agree, while they come from the same lineage, they are two very different bikes. Karpiel is no different, they have evolved as the sport has. they are very different bikes now in terms of geometry and suspension feel. the bikes may have the same name but they really are completely re-engineered and different.
yup, now do that with the old army or disco and the new ones. the changes should be as obvious on the karpiels as they are on the pictures you just posted of the intenses. the changes become even more obvious if you ride the two - old vs. new. i think most would agree, trying to compare the old to the new is like comparing apples to oranges.
"same lineage" may be a stretch (horst link vs. vpp) but my point is the same. geo has changed and so has the suspension. karpiel has retained the dual/semi-parallel linkage but it has been completely redesigned and it would a stretch to say they are the same.
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The karpiel share the same linkage from the old gen to the new one. Intense do not. Maybe the M3 and M6 would be a better example.
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ride them both, the suspension is very different. do all horst link bikes ride the same? do all vpp bikes ride the same?
M3 vs. M6 would probably be a better example. but it doesn't change the point i am trying to illustrate........struggling to illustrate.
M3 vs. M6 would probably be a better example. but it doesn't change the point i am trying to illustrate........struggling to illustrate.
nevermind: imatard
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I can sill drop it lower, then again with sag it drops quite a bit. Then again it doesn't make sense to have a 13.75 BB on a 9"-11" travel bike.
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Dude it was fukkin 2000 who the hell used a 7" fork? I had a couch for a seat, 3" gazzalodis and a 9" lame ass fork. The bike also looked like Micheal J. Fox welded it.I realize that, basically boogenman is a typical small dog owner.
What's wrong with small dogs?
I have a big guy too
Well there you have it, as far as Micheal J. Fox, before or after Parkinson's?Dude it was fukkin 2000 who the hell used a 7" fork? I had a couch for a seat, 3" gazzalodis and a 9" lame ass fork. The bike also looked like Micheal J. Fox welded it.
What's wrong with small dogs?
I have a big guy too
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Plus I fail to see the point of owning a small dog. Might as well have a cat instead.
Cat's are so much better than dogs. They're awesome. My cat would eat that dog. And nice bike man!
Sharks and dinosaurs are so much better than cats and dogs. My shark would eat your cat. Also, a nice bike but why are we talking about animals? Unless you own a shark or a rabid flaming bear it makes you less badass than a nice looking bike and a fancy pink race pj
btw. It's good to see more people trust karpiel again. Like the looks of that disco.
For me it was actually the old "overbuilt monster bike" reputation that decided to have me sway their way. My 303 was terrible and i just wanted a bike that would be no issues, who really breaks karpiels, haven't ridden it yet but it seems pretty nice.Sharks and dinosaurs are so much better than cats and dogs. My shark would eat your cat. Also, a nice bike but why are we talking about animals? Unless you own a shark or a rabid flaming bear it makes you less badass than a nice looking bike and a fancy pink race pj
btw. It's good to see more people trust karpiel again. Like the looks of that disco.
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Well, my dog would be scared of your cat.
Here is my attack puppy @ 4 months, she's 10 months now.
It's been a long, difficult road, but people are regaining their confidence with Karpiel here in the US. It's a beautiful thing
Armageddons were about 10.7lbs and the Disco's were about 9.8lbs.Weren't even the old discos pretty light?
Yeah, that's what I remember and what made me wonder how crazy would you have to be to make a 30kg bike with such a light frame.
I guess it was the trend back then. With everyone watching the bike videos in the early 2000's, it gained that reputation and unfortunately never really lost it. For the most part the bikes were built for the type of terrain @ Northstar. Those bikes could handle just about anything you can throw at it, from the biggest drops to the nastiest rocky sections. The great thing was you didn't need to pick your line, it was more point & shoot.
back in the day, it was easy to do. like boogenman has pointed out, many were running the 3.0 gazzys, a huge seat, and the risse forks weighed as much as the frame did. it added up pretty quickly. ahhhhhhh, the good old days
I still have my 2004 Armageddon and to this day still enjoy riding it. Weighs in at 45lbs, but then again it's full Avalanche. Bike rides likes a Cadillac
Yeah, there was a guy around here with an army or an apo with avy mtn-8 (seriously...) double wides and other similar. Though even(well I started riding in 04 or 05 but the huck trend died here later than in the us) then I never understood those kind of bikes. For me it was always as crazy as now people going ape**** over their low weight.
I think that same guy rides a hitman now...
I think it will come back. People get moist about low weight now, but when they find out it doesn't help them ride better or faster, but they break stuff more often, they'll find that middle ground sweet spot again. I think DH bikes will settle and hover right around 40 lbs..some heavier, some lighter, but I think 45lb sleds will come back to a degree, as fat people realize that stuff that works is better than light stuff.
I think it will come back. People get moist about low weight now, but when they find out it doesn't help them ride better or faster, but they break stuff more often, they'll find that middle ground sweet spot again. I think DH bikes will settle and hover right around 40 lbs..some heavier, some lighter, but I think 45lb sleds will come back to a degree, as fat people realize that stuff that works is better than light stuff.
I'm 210 lbs and ride pretty hard. I don't miss 45lb bikes at all, nor have a broken anything any worse than a spoke or a derailleur hanger in the last few years of riding. I don't really see some of the lighter stuff as being less strong, more like the strong stuff getting lighter.
I still think DH bikes are better off between 38-42lbs.
Thats the ticket for less deflection and a pretty spot on feel. Mine will be 36+ as soon as the roco gets back this week and will go between 36+ - 38+ and thats about perfect depending on whats being ridden.
I weigh 235 and hammer the hell out of courses and rocks and no real issues so far, occasional rear wheel, chains and some bars but those werent due to weight or light parts rather bad line choices in rocks and off drops.
Hey B, qkrnt is looking for a BB for middys on the 2010 ride thread last page...
You have a lot of soda pop and TP. Stocked up well. Where did you find this frame from 2001, in a "stocked up well" bike shop?Traded the POS 303(thank god) for a 09 disco volante, have not ridden it yet and wont have a chance to for some time being as northern NJ has 13 inches of snow on the ground. But it looks pretty nice, only complaint is the paint, not good quality and chips a bunch. Other than that i like it a lot.For the build i took the demo 9 and 303 and mixed them, sold some of the older, but higher end stuff, so some of the parts (all of them) should look familiar. Weight is 40.2
Large frame
Roco WC
Fox 40 RC2
Chrome Industry nines to 823s-tubeless minions DHF
Avid code brakes with straitline levers
Saint shifter with XT derailur, idk the chain
Funn Dh seat on a thompson elite post
King headset
Raceface evolve Dh cranks with a blackspire ring
5050XX pedals
LG1 something chainguide
sunline wide ass bars with ODI grips
road cassette
and a few zip ties
More pics at http://racer303.pinkbike.com/album/karpiel-disco-volante/