I've only heard Intense is working on a new M3, which will be a lighter, and less travel (8") version of the M6. Maybe they will be running on these...?
Not that much, just some CNC work on the links and different dropouts but 310mm BBH and a 64* HA is reachable without any changes to the main structure.
and no matter how good they make it, it will always be seen by some as 'second best' to the m6. the m6 is their flagship bike, that's what people want to be seen riding.
Socom is the bike that people ride who don't like 83 mm BBs but like to pedal!
:biggrin:Dont you mean "that's what the race teams with money to spare want to be seen racing" ?
I'd disagree with that, the M1 was a nice bike for its time because there weren't many low/slack alternatives. But by the time the M3 had come out, the industry had more than caught up, and all of a sudden all intense had was a poorly welded frame with a ridiculously long headtube (and therefore overly high handlebar height) that cracked in a myriad of places when used for its intended purpose. It wasn't particularly low or slack either vs. the dawn of the Sunday bringing a WC geo bike to the masses for possibly the first time.
Maybe at your local trails but not at world cups and the M6 has lived up to its expectations it did have a few niggles at the beginning but they were quickly sorted, it just it came out at a bad time for buying everyone i speak to is always saying they'd love to have one but they just can't afford it plus there is allot of competition out there now.
My guess is that with 8" front and rear you would have better balance and less extreme geometry changes when going trough travel.
First, I don't ride local "trails" or whatever you're hinting at. My home mountain is the host of the biggest DH event in the North America.
Oh really? I guess the only expectations were a bike to succeed the M3? The M6 has not lived up to anything. It is still a bike with bad geo and too much travel. Find me the tons of people or racers who are dieing to ride this bike? There are not many.
Thats great. Everyone I know who has one and had an M3 or M1 prior wishes this bike was anywhere near as good of a bike as the previous models. This same sentiment is echo'd by pro/am racers alike, as well as, many people in various online communities.
Im sorry if i upset you but i never men't to suggest that you ride local trail's but it must be nice to live next to the Big Event I wish i lived there
I take it you just ride everywhere else in the world then, not your local stuff. It must be a bummer being to good for your local trails i wish i was as good as you mate, since you know everything il just let you reply to everyone cause i don't want to get on the wrong side of you.
lthumbsdown:Amen to that. Too much e-speculation going around.
No offense taken and I never meant to imply anything about my lack of skills. :huh: But you did start things off with a "local trails" comment as if you thought I was "dh'ing" in woods on an XC trail and you then threw in the "world cup" comment as if YOU were the one out there on WC courses, no?? It's all good though...Im sorry if i upset you but i never men't to suggest that you ride local trail's but it must be nice to live next to the Big Event I wish i lived there
Exactly.
Yes they did. You believe that makes the M6 a great bike?
All I'm saying is the M6 is a forgettable bike in the history of DH. Sure there's racers/teams out there using them but not because it is a proven or great bike. They're using them because its an Intense and its their flagship DH bike. There's a reason there's no huge M6 following... the M6 is "OK" but not "great" and not a "rememberable" bike like the M1 or M3.I love Diablo as much as the next guy, but i'd hardly consider it the center of the DH universe. for what it's worth there are almost no riders on Socoms up at Bromont, but there are a lot of M6's.
Of course there are more Norco's and Devinci's than anything else so using b-b00gies standards those are the bikes 'everyone' wants right?
You got some valid points but did you see the article in Decline about Leovs 303 and the Athertons Commencals? The head angles are slack but the BBs were 14.2-14.5" on all bikes. So calling the Sunday THE WC geo bike is not valid IMO. Slack yes, low... maybe if you are Sam.
:biggrin:Why would your weight effect the way the rebound works (assuming thats what you meant by "...dampening fast enough...")?Personally I think the M6 ist too low and because of my weight I would never be able to set the damping fast enough to make the shock work. So a little higher, 3" stroke shock bike like the M3 Evo sounds really good to me
I would need a super low spring rate, so the shock would have too much damping force even if totally backed off. Only revalving the shock would work.
what your saying doesnt make sense, if you had a super low spring rate and u backed the damping off completely then u would bottom out constantly and get bucked after a hard bottom out.
He's saying the long stroke shock doesn't have the ability to flow the oil fast enough when it Has the light (correct weight) spring on it. It's a problem with the low leverage bikes for light people.
Wouldn't a moto shop/suspension tuning place be able to do it? Its the same technology just smaller and I thought I remember something being said when it first came out that any body that could rebuild moto suspension could also work on a CCDB. Maybe I'm getting it confused with Avalanche, seriously, I'm not being a smart ass.
Beat you to it, its become a running joke in my house... It was funny until my roommate decided we need more damping in our mac and cheese and started dropping shims into it.
