everyone bitches about bending or breaking their brake levers. honestly how many of you actually have, i mean seriously?!?!? just don't tighten the bolt all the way down so if you DO hit anything your entire shifter will just rotate a bit.
My problem with Shimano is not just that they are "big".
Agreed. I heard that the next generation Shimano will need bike manufactures to modify designs for the stuff to work.
I like Shimano but don't care too much for the dual control shifters. I'm certainly not going to spend a bunch of money on them and use them for a while on the chance that they might grow on me in a while.
i have, had a pair of Magura Julies and destroyed front twice and back once. Got Hayes busted the line a few times but never busted the levers. Now i'm gonna run some Deore's on my new bike, (seeking more performance thru modulation), but i'm keeping the Hayes for backup.....
*raising hand*
Guess what! They don't design their products to be exclusive to each other, their chains work just peachy with an FSA crank set for example, but obviously XTR cranks are designed to be used with XTR chains, derraliures ect.. It makes sense that way. They test them together. They use similer metals and manufacturing processes that allow everything to work smoothly. And with brakes, what disk brake company had calipers compatible with other companies? Shimano's disk brakes don't work with other brands because they use mineral oil, and if you have ever bled any other disk brake that doesn't use mineral oil, and you spill some of the stuff, it is no good. Sram's X.O. stuff is at a level of perfecting for shifting in the rear, but until they have a full X.O. gruppo, it won't perform on par overal with XTR. Sram also makes a Shimano compatible shifter, but you don't see much R&D going in to high end development of that technology, because it is only logical for them to try to attract buyers to their other products available.
Dude, you have totally missed the point. When SRAM discontinues the best method of shifting available on the market (hint: i'm referring to high-normal Rapidfire) and replaces it with a system that 90% of the market doesn't like, and ONLY packages it with non-separable brake levers that ONLY work with Avid brakes, then we'll be bitching just as much.
Like dude above said, you missed the point entirely.
not too sure what year this is....sram 7.0 fd.
he wasn't that far off actually based off of what you stated in your earlier post. i'll go out on a limb though and agree w/ devo b/c think about it for a second. if you were an engineer for a company of any size, you're going to want your product to work as best as you can possibly get it to work correct? how else are you going to do that, by complying to someone elses "standards" that are supposedly great, yeah right. you're going to make your own shiet to work w/ your own shiet and get it dialed. sram's tried to do it, you don't remember the cranks that they tried to make years ago. with the purchase of sram i can actually see them intergrating brake levers w/ either their gripshifters or the thumbshifters. it's only a matter of time like it or not.......
It's not really a question of how it works. It works well, I use 02 XTR myself.
well the same could be said about srams component line up if you think about it. the ESP shifters (xo, x7/x9, 9.0sl, 9.0, etc) ONLY work w/ the sram esp rear der.. now yes i do know sram makes a shifter that is compitable w/ a shimano rear der.. they did that b/c at the time sram was a small company and not many ppl honestly liked the feel of their rear d's but liked the feel of the shifter......
You'll change your tune when Shimanos stuff doesn't work with IF frames
Could. Could purchase XT disc levers separately, as in used to be able to. Since XT went dual-control for 2004, there's no way to get the shifter apart from the brakes. Obviously there's still old stock lying around right now, but that won't last forever.
Once again. I never said their stuff doesn't work. And if they come up with a better way to do stuff, cool. Let the industry conform to their new "standard". That's what Hayes did.
there were quite a number of pro xc riders last year on full xtr setups w/ other wheelsets than shimano xtr hubs or xtr full wheelset ups. there were numerous riders on crossmax's and bonti wheels. that leads me to believe on thing, that they offer different bolt patterns for their rotors....
Or maybe pros have access to more stuff than the rest of us...
I would think you could run any rotor (of the same thickness/diameter) with the XTR disc brake setup, but then you'd have to buy an extra set of rotors, which sucks, which is what I think you are trying to say.
yup, a mate of mine has just swopped his magura marta's for new XTR disc brakes and has kept his crossmax wheels and magura wavy rotors. works fine, both 160mm diam.
XT rotors are compatiable with any disk hubs. They are also compatiable with new XTR and XT brakes. Shimano is not making their 'old' stuff obsolete either. Not yet at least.
Easy, use last years XT rotor or an aftermarket one or one with the same dimensions. Use any Shimano hydraulic lever. Use the XT lever only and use any damn shifter you want.
