[ohio]

Been gone for a long long time, and will continue to be pretty much absent, but I thought I'd pop in to stir some sh!t.

Ran into the SC and WTB crews the other day, sporting a VP-Free with Breakout Plus. No comment regarding plans for production or lack thereof.

Discuss.

 

[Silver]

Hmm...I emailed SC about 1.5 bikes about 4-6 months ago, and they said they had no plans to build them. I wonder if they changed thier minds?

 

[Zark]

Don't care, the 66 is coming the Fox 36 is coming. 1 1/8 is here to stay and 1.5 is a FAD :nuts: (J/K )

Bah, companies play around with stuff like this all the time, it doesn't mean it'll see the light of day.

 

[Incubus]

I don't know why companies like Fox or RS don't make it an option. I can't imagine that it's not all that much additional tooling.

 

[binary visions]

I would think 1.5 would be a no brainer for something like the VP-Free.

Stronger headtube, option to run a Breakout+ on what is supposed to be a very versitile bike, the single crown fork making it more versitile still...

Sounds good to me.

 

[W4S]

Will there ever be a 7" single crown w/ 1 1/8? A vp free with breakout 7" would be SO sick, I've got wood just thinking about it.

 

[profro]

I would think 1.5 would be a no brainer for something like the VP-Free.

Stronger headtube, option to run a Breakout+ on what is supposed to be a very versitile bike, the single crown fork making it more versitile still...

Sounds good to me.

Just out of curiousity, what makes a single crown fork more versitile?

 

[-BB-]

I think that he is asying that a 1.5 HT is more versitile b/c you can run 1.5 AND 1.125 in forks.

 

[syadasti]

Been gone for a long long time, and will continue to be pretty much absent, but I thought I'd pop in to stir some sh!t.

Ran into the SC and WTB crews the other day, sporting a VP-Free with Breakout Plus. No comment regarding plans for production or lack thereof.

Discuss.

Could be an agreement to let Intense have premium 1.5 status for the first year release for the Intense V8 FR... SC and Intense have similiar products flowing out now so they have to do something to keep them in different product segments

 

[binary visions]

The 1.5 HT is more versitile because you can run both forks.

The Breakout+ is one of the most versitile forks on the market, IMO. Super light, 7" of SPV travel, switchable to 5" with a flick of a switch for climbing. No limited turning radius, nothing to bang your knees on going up a hill... What other fork opens up all those options for you?

 

[Zark]

Just out of curiousity, what makes a single crown fork more versitile?

1. You can climb without tagging your knees on the top crown (ouch!)

2. Big X-ups

 

[profro]

I think that he is asying that a 1.5 HT is more versitile b/c you can run 1.5 AND 1.125 in forks.

I agree with that, but he says 'the single crown fork making it more versitile still'. I just don't see what makes it more versitile. To me things like adjustable travel or Zoke's ETA/ECC make a fork more versitile not how many crowns it has. That's just me.

 

[profro]

The 1.5 HT is more versitile because you can run both forks.

Super light, 7" of SPV travel, switchable to 5" with a flick of a switch for climbing. No limited turning radius, nothing to bang your knees on going up a hill...

 

[mtnbikej]

I would think 1.5 would be a no brainer for something like the VP-Free.

Stronger headtube, option to run a Breakout+ on what is supposed to be a very versitile bike, the single crown fork making it more versitile still...

Sounds good to me.

I don't know about that.....have you seen the headtube on the new VPP-Free? It is freakin' heavy duty. Makes the headtube on my Bullit look like a tin can.

mtnbikej

 

[binary visions]

I don't know about that.....have you seen the headtube on the new VPP-Free? It is freakin' heavy duty. Makes the headtube on my Bullit look like a tin can.

1.5 is just stronger in all respects. The larger diameter resists both flaring ovalization (which the thick 1 1/8" headtube helps), and compressive ovalization (which the thick headtube does nothing for). I don't know if those are the right terms, but the first refers to the actual headtube deforming, and the second is the material compressing inside the headtube.

And the kicker is, it can be done all for the same weight (maybe lighter?) as the uber-thick 1 1/8" headtube. It's a beautiful thing

 

[syadasti]

I don't know about that.....have you seen the headtube on the new VPP-Free? It is freakin' heavy duty. Makes the headtube on my Bullit look like a tin can.

mtnbikej

How many times can people gloss over the fact that a giant 1.125" HT still won't be as strong as 1.5" one. There are numerous advantages - use the search tool - its been beaten to death :eviltongu

Oh yeah, the HT on the VP Free is internally butted - you can't run CK Steelset etc... (well you can, but its not recommended cause it offers no advantage)

 

[Eigil]

The Intense V8/VpX is a 1.5". I raced it at Bear with the breakout+ and I didn't really notice any flex or anything, and it was pretty light. I think I'll stick with Marzocchi, though.

 

[OGRipper]

The problem right now is kind of a chicken or the egg conundrum. Some of the bigger companies seem reluctant to build 1.5 bikes because the fork selection is so limited, and the fork companies seem to be holding back because there aren't that many big companies making 1.5. Yes, there are some, and Trek's freeride with 1.5 is probably a big kick. Just seems like 1.5 is kind of taxiing down the runway but can't really take off.

Personally I think the new standard for big bikes is or soon will be 8" forks, so unless you can do an 8" single crowm (1.5 or otherwise) it's not that big a deal to me. Although, the idea of doing bar spins on my big bike does sound pretty cool.

 

[Fulton]

1.5 is just stronger in all respects. The larger diameter resists both flaring ovalization (which the thick 1 1/8" headtube helps), and compressive ovalization (which the thick headtube does nothing for). I don't know if those are the right terms, but the first refers to the actual headtube deforming, and the second is the material compressing inside the headtube.

And the kicker is, it can be done all for the same weight (maybe lighter?) as the uber-thick 1 1/8" headtube. It's a beautiful thing

yep. 1.5" steerer tubes may or may not be a good idea, but 1.5" headtubes are superior to 1 1/8" in almost every way, stronger, can be lighter, and with the use of e13 cups and different headset, you can have way more control over stack heights for use with different forks, and adjusting geometry.

also, it leaves more room for big ass headtube badges!

 

[dropmachine]

If you were in an industry as competitive as bicycle suspension, would you be the first to admit that one of your competitors did something that makes a ton of sense, therefor casting a bit of doubt on your existing products, or would you continue doing what you were doing and tell everybody that the other thing is crap?

 

[binary visions]

If you were in an industry as competitive as bicycle suspension, would you be the first to admit that one of your competitors did something that makes a ton of sense, therefor casting a bit of doubt on your existing products, or would you continue doing what you were doing and tell everybody that the other thing is crap?

I agree that from a marketing perspective it'd be difficult for other companies to admit that a competitor's product is a good one.

However, as a consumer, I still reserve the right to bitch about those companies who won't admit when something is better

 

[Jeremy R]

yep. 1.5" steerer tubes may or may not be a good idea, but 1.5" headtubes are superior to 1 1/8" in almost every way, stronger, can be lighter, and with the use of e13 cups and different headset, you can have way more control over stack heights for use with different forks, and adjusting geometry.

also, it leaves more room for big ass headtube badges!

That is exactly what I was thinking.
Take the 1.5 Turner Rail for instance.
When I fall on a sack of money, I want to pick one up, so I was dreaming about which fork to put on it.
With the 1.5 headtube, I can actually put on a longer travel fork, because the E13 cups will make up for the increase in height.
That's sweet.

 

[Acadian]

yep. 1.5" steerer tubes may or may not be a good idea, but 1.5" headtubes are superior to 1 1/8" in almost every way, stronger, can be lighter, and with the use of e13 cups and different headset, you can have way more control over stack heights for use with different forks, and adjusting geometry.

also, it leaves more room for big ass headtube badges!

got to admit tho that until I got my Turner I wasn't really for this OnePointFive Standard...but now I can see the many advantages!

Edit: doesn't really affect my purchase decision tho! if the bike is good i'll buy one no matter what HT it has.

 

[RaID]

Will there ever be a 7" single crown w/ 1 1/8? A vp free with breakout 7" would be SO sick, I've got wood just thinking about it.

the Marzocchi 66 is 7" and 1 1/8
personally id think it would probably suit the Vp Free more then
the 888

 

[Toshi]

the Marzocchi 66 is 7" and 1 1/8
personally id think it would probably suit the Vp Free more then
the 888

for a given amount of travel won't a single crown be taller? (in other words, the 66 is going to be one tall beast, and the vp-free is already a tall bike, at least on paper)

 

[thaflyinfatman]

for a given amount of travel won't a single crown be taller? (in other words, the 66 is going to be one tall beast, and the vp-free is already a tall bike, at least on paper)

In theory it should be the same, but the reality is that when you have to make the crown that much heavier duty, yeah it usually ends up taller.

 

[Intenseman]

The Intense V8/VpX is a 1.5". I raced it at Bear with the breakout+ and I didn't really notice any flex or anything, and it was pretty light. I think I'll stick with Marzocchi, though.

 

[prophet6]

I've spent many many hours on a VP-Free. It has a super t on it, and it built up as a proper freeride bike. It's a hot ride.

I was horrified that it didn't have a 1.5 headtube, and talked at length to the SC guys about it. They have no plans to introduce such an option, though there are a few protos in existance.

If you want such a feature, I'd get on the horn to SC and let them know.




p6

 

[firevsh2o]

Even if Marzocchi now makes a 7" SC with the 66 in 1 1/8", it will be heavier and taller than the Manitou. And it will not offer less travel with a flip of a lever. I allways thought I would not need such a function, but on steep climbs it is very helpful on my Breakout+.

Santa Cruz should go 1.5 to let the customer decide which fork he wants to run.

1.5 is here to stay, every European freeride bike I can think of has this standard at least as an option. 1 1/8" is allmost dead here for freeride applications.

PS: ... and even Trek will make a 1.5 Bike now.

 

[binary visions]

there is a 7 inch single crown with 1 1/8 it is the bomber 666 it is called. saw wade with one and alex pro is getting his soon.

Everyone thinks that because they made the 888, this one is called the 666... That'd be pretty bad marketing to name a fork the 666 anyway, but it's called the 66.

 

[Fulton]

Everyone thinks that because they made the 888, this one is called the 666... That'd be pretty bad marketing to name a fork the 666 anyway, but it's called the 66.

naw, they could sell it with those new antichrist frames......

 

[binary visions]

naw, they could sell it with those new antichrist frames......

It'd go great on my Evil

 

[MtnbikeMike]

If the 888 has 8" why don't they call the 66 the 77 since it has 7"?

 

[thaflyinfatman]

If the 888 has 8" why don't they call the 66 the 77 since it has 7"?

Because who's going to mistakenly keep calling a "77" a "666"?

 

[syadasti]

If the 888 has 8" why don't they call the 66 the 77 since it has 7"?

170mm/25.4= 6.693" - its about 6.6" of travel

 

[Jorgen]

I heard it will come in 2 different travel options, 150mm(6") and 170mm(7").
Do you know if that's correct?