Well, i´ve been thinking of buying one of those frames....well hard decision...
your opinion?
thanx!!
your opinion?
thanx!!
Orange 224 vs. Morewood Izumu DH
- Thread starter Laaz
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Both reallly sweet bikes. I have ridden the morewood and I own a 223... the 224 has a lower pivot point that the morewood and is going to be a tad bit lighter. I havent really dealt with orange but I can say that morewood has extremely good customer service, I have hung out and chatted with the guys at races for hours, they are really nice guys and would definetly hook you up....
I would be biased in telling you to get the orange because I own one...they are such simmilar bikes though that it really wouldnt matter, the only major differences are the lower pivot point and rear chain stays.
I would be biased in telling you to get the orange because I own one...they are such simmilar bikes though that it really wouldnt matter, the only major differences are the lower pivot point and rear chain stays.
Buy Moorewood 
224's are absolutly amazing. I have one and i love it alot, even more than my old 223, and 222. I dont know much about morewoods bikes but i know that you wont be the least bit dissapointed with a 224. The guys at Orange are Super nice as well. plus the Orange is a bit lighter!!
Well yes...that is the thing....i am wondering if it is worth to pay more for the pivot point, chainstay and head angle of orange (things that in my mind make 0range better for racing).....etc...
ViciousDHer said:
Then what is your suggestion since neither one of these bikes are American.
Isn't the 224 quite a bit lighter than the Izumi?
you'll see the morewood trailer at all the Nationals this year if that helps...Laaz said:
The single pivot design is nice because it is more reliable in my opinion. not all this extra stuff where things can go wrong. i dont know aboiut the Morewood but the Orange's craftmanship is amazing.
OK...I don't ride either bike...but what you just said is funny...explain please. what makes it "more competitive"?SBDHrida said:
You are gonna get alot of opinions on this thread that say get the Orange (because Peat rode one) from alot of people who have never thrown a leg over either bike.
For me this would be a no brainer.
I would get the Morewood because their North American HQ's is located less than an hour from me. They go to all the races that I go to, including the US Open and Nationals, they have given me free beer, and I just like those guys and their bikes.
Both bikes are well made single pivots, but I have not seen much of Orange around here to form an opinion on them one way or another.
For me this would be a no brainer.
I would get the Morewood because their North American HQ's is located less than an hour from me. They go to all the races that I go to, including the US Open and Nationals, they have given me free beer, and I just like those guys and their bikes.
Both bikes are well made single pivots, but I have not seen much of Orange around here to form an opinion on them one way or another.
I'm wondering the same thing myself. If peaty made it more competitive, i musta brought that average down, in some way shape or form.bizutch said:
Well about craftmanship.....morewood is know as one of the best in this category as well...as orange...so that is not a concern!!
Well, yes i think that orange is better too, but i am not shure that it is 460£(for frame) better!
Well, yes i think that orange is better too, but i am not shure that it is 460£(for frame) better!
I have ridden the morewood for a year and been around the Orange as well. In all honesty, pivot placement with today's shocks means very little when it comes to pedal feedback. I was also surprised to find out how nimble the Izumu is with a 65 degree HA. I expected it to corner poorly, when in fact it out cornered my steep HA Turner DHR with ease. Shows what I know about designing a bike.
My vote is morewood and pocket the extra cash for a better fork or travel money.
Brennan
My vote is morewood and pocket the extra cash for a better fork or travel money.
Brennan
Keep in mind that the Morewood Izimu dh is a race bred bike. Built by 3 time South Afican champion Patrick Morewood. In the past year, 3 us riders were selected for the national team to go to worlds. They were all on Morewoods. I did not see any americans on an Orange. Not to say anything bad about the 224 of course.
I have been on both and love true single pivot bikes. I decided to return to racing this year and will be on a Morewood because of the people running the company. They are great to work with and will take good care of you.
Go with the Morewood.......
Go with the Morewood.......
delete the thread...it just got crapped in...
I hope you are not talking to me?bizutch said:delete the thread...it just got crapped in...
well i am from south europe.....so i think i wont have anny real contact with anny of the companies....
I fail to see the logic here.tomvan72 said:
I personally don't like the Izumi, but the company and people seem really cool. I haven't spent anytime on a 224, but from looking at the geometry and the pivot placement, as well as the weight I think I would like it more.
You said your located in south Europe? then i would get the 224. it will be easier to get it and if you need anything from orange it will be easier to get as well. Plus, its an awousome bike. you wont be dissapointed with your decision.
tomvan72 said:
The logic might just be in my head! At some point I thought someone hinted to the 224 being more of a race bike. I was stating that the Izimu is on par. I must not have explained it well enuff. So dont worry about it too much. I'll try better next time!
Transcend said:
Exactly!!!
Gotcha, i sincerly had no idea what you meant. Sorry.tomvan72 said:
I knew what you ment...but i am so $%$ confuzed, well sorry, i know that is my problem...i have delers/selers for both in my country...so it is virtualy the same for both bikes......but i cant get a test ride...because there are no bikes in stock.....
well i will think and think for some time...and in the end i think i will be satisfied no matter wich bike i will get....
Thanx for your help! no offence!
well i will think and think for some time...and in the end i think i will be satisfied no matter wich bike i will get....
Thanx for your help! no offence!
Although I agree that new shocks help make single pivots acceptable in terms of pedaling performance, all the platform damping in the world won't do much to minimize feedback. You hit a bump, your suspension compresses, you get chain growth, and if it's a lot, you'll feel it in the pedals. Sure, you can minimize the amount of that compression but pivot location still makes a big difference. Did you mean to say something else?IronhorseCT said:
Ride Both, no? Then decide? All anyone can tell you on here is the paper specs and geometry. It always comes down to personal preference no matter how you put it. Plus the 224 and the Morewood are fairly rare bikes seeing as the 224 is totally new and the fact that Morewood is also fairly new to the market, so you aren't going to be finding many un-biased, non-team based reviews.
I feel sorry for those who have never learned proper english.
I feel sorry for those who have never learned proper english.
Hey Morewood people, whatever happened to this idea? Was it scrapped?:
http://www.morewoodbikes.com/chain.html
http://www.morewoodbikes.com/chain.html
ha! someone finally did what i had abandonned in my bike design a long time ago. It's simply an idler freely mounted to an arm that pivots about the main pivot. The position of that idler is maintained by the chain tension, allowing the idler to move in a position that reduces chain 'lengthening'. It was actually one of my original premises for the design (and some projects), but never got tested tho. Never published this pic before either, taken april 2003 just after first assembly, the front end didnt get built until later in the year. Parts werent even anodized yet....MOTODH said:hmm thats pretty cool, is it spring loaded or something? any info
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i have an /05 Morewood Izumi and absolutely love it! the /06 model has a couple solid improvement with a thru-axle dropouts and ISCG tabs. i like the idea with the Morewood FBK (floating brake kit) it can be added or removed within minutes, unlike the Orange it has it or doesnt.....the price difference is huge! buy a spare shock, build up extra wheels for mud, hookers....what ever, this frame is built for the long haul!
im sending mine out tomarrow to be sand blasted and powder coated....gonna look killa!
im sending mine out tomarrow to be sand blasted and powder coated....gonna look killa!
