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Pretty Good ‘The End Of Ski Bum Life’ Rant (Steamboat)

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Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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In the cleavage of the Tetons
The Unscrewing of Steamboat, Covid Update:

The Yampa Valley is doomed. The decades-long downhill slide has finally
come to a sad, grievous end, bottoming out in the form of a Hellish Resort. The
Good Ship Lollypop has crashed and shrewd scavengers have stripped it and
reconstituted it into a series of glass fortresses, now manned on all sides by
overeager Marketers, militant Realtors and plump Developers. The Steamboat Idea, that
Realtor Triad now pimped by BMW at the top of Christie lift, is a long-gone fantasy for most former
Mind, Body, and Spiriters, replaced by the New Ethos, the Saslovian threesome of
Ego, Vanity, Gall. All that remains for the working class is a shallow existence
consisting of all manner of noodles, domestic beer, stress, plastic, paranoia, fumes,
overpopulation, covid, stepped-on drugs, blown radiators, natural gas wells, bills,
belittlement, and the occasional high-end trinket, like dinner at Sunpies.
or a night out in Hayden.
Now that the real estate boom has us strangled in its scaly coils, a once vibrant
valley of ski bums, intellectuals, outdoorsmen (and, most importantly,
outdoorswomen), drifters, artists, and entrepreneurs has become virtually
unlivable, except in the rare case of those old-timers who got in before the wagons
circled. Even then, why would any of us want to live in any place bootlicking for a
group of wealthy part-timers or entitled jackasses that are covid relocates that considers its co-inhabitants to be stoned out,
uncaring, inconsequential robots and zombies? What time or energy is left, post-servitude,
to enjoy life to its fullest? To suck the marrow, dance on the edge as was
commonplace for the average Yamper? What time to play in or with the
hills, the streams, and the sunset, the wildlife (including the wild and scarcely seen
outdoorswoman), our neighbors, pets, arts, hobbies and vices? What is the point of
running around trying to catch our own tails each and every day?
What is killing this valley is no secret. It is the most quantum unsaid horror foisted
upon the West since we stole the land from the natives. Overvaluation. Overhyping.
Overbuilding. Overstuffing. Greed. Arrogance. Pride. Audacity. Excess. Gluttony.
When the movie is made, some witty producer will dream up the title -- "Manifest
Destiny 2: The Build Out." The cat got out of the bag about the allure of the
Yampa Valley some years back, and now the human and material flood is
total. Billionaires are kicking millionaires out of South Routt. Orgies of dump trucks
are occurring at all times of the day, on every road, in every town. Local Realtor
Michelle Avery (egad!) was quoted we think in the paper as saying "The $5 million home in
Steamboat is quickly becoming a thing of the past." This is acceptable, apparently.
Pardon me for asking, but just what is the commission on a $6 million pad? Who's in
charge here?
As an endangered local -- hanging on, contributing, trying to play the game, losing,
and wondering what for -- I can see only three decent albeit desperate options for
the citizens of the Yampa Valley:

Option 1: Leave. Stop yer bitching and take off. Vamoose. Hit the dusty trail, Slim.

Find a new place that doesn't suck. Shake it off. Regroup. Order a plate of
normalcy. Pick up and beat feet for the nearest hacienda that has sun, snow,
mountains, deserts, clean water, breathable air, space, sanity. There are places
like that, with nice, normal folks, a living wage, and a sustainable economy, I am
sure. A place to really lay it out there and kick back, again. This was once such a
place, and surely there must be others, one reasons. And I'm not talking.

Option 2: Riot. Take the battle to the hills, to the riverside retreats, to the alleys
and streets of Steamboat, Milner, Hayden, Craig,Kremtucky, Phippstucky and Oak Creek, and so
on. Scare the bejesus out of the elitists who have, until this Last Resort, this
heinous intervention, thrown a shutout at the once-proud, hearty Yampers.
Comrades will steal the SUVS and sports cars and drive them into a large pile in
Little Toots Park, igniting the whole mess with biodiesel made from the McDonald's
grease pits. Young snowboarders will storm the high-end retail stores and throw the
clowns tending shop out into the streets naked, with only codpieces made from the
leather, fur, jewels, and dirt that they hawk. You know the game: essential,
cleansing revolution. Not entirely tolerable for extended periods of time. Taking on
the Man directly is never clean. Troops will descend, and not even the fine Sheriff
will be able to hold them off. Many fine skiers would be lost to jail, death and
forced marches to Grand Junction National Penitentiary Work Camp.

Option 3: A soft revolution. The thinking man's war. A war of attrition. An
insurgency of wit. A YeeeeeeHaaaaaaad! Get inside and turn 'em. Humiliate the
IKON bastards off, back to Texas, Denver, New York, California, and Chicago, Rome,
Geneva, Riyadh. A Campaign of Rudeness. The Unscrewing of Steamboat. This will
require total sacrifice, concentration, and skill to achieve the goal, which is to
remove the Resort title from the place without the irreversible damage associated
with Outright Violence and Hellfire. To return this valley to the common man. Each
and every landscaper, digger, TV reporter, cab driver, baseball coach, convenience
store clerk, politician and waiter will be required to do his or her part: to piss off
the World Class Trash that you come in contact with so much that they have no
option but to leave and slime up some other place, like Vail or Martha's Vineyard.
We should collectively craft out the absolutely worst reputation possible as snobs,
rebels, druggies, insolent boobs, ungrateful hyenas, dangerous criminals, crass and
arrogant class of worker citizens that has ever disgraced this green earth. Like the
French, only a hundred times worse. To survive, we will need to avoid things that
we take for granted, such as personal hygiene, common sense, decency, dignity,
and the occasional sharp retort. There will be friendly fire, so be prepared to take
one for the team. We will all be living on edge until this is over, which could be
years. Have patience comrades, the Rude Attacks will eat through gold and
diamond. The acid wash will be complete. No one will want to live here, let alone
the CEO class. When the Rude War is over, and we are the victors, a signal will be
given, most likely involving a gigantic Epic flag, woven with fine silks and other
linens claimed as spoils of war, and as a community, we will rally at the T-Bar and take down the Timber and Torch
board by board and build a village of ski chalets and cabins. One of the first
acts as a community will be the mass skinny-dipping at Strawberry Park, where we
will swim. The land will be worth nothing, nobody who's anybody will want to live here. Ullr willing. Sanity will rule.
The $5 million house will soon become a thing of the past.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Yeah, uh, I don't think that last option is going to do jack squat.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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did not see enough of steamboat to blow my hair back like thehelluride did....
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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Steamboat is free from my grasp because it's too inaccessible relative to other options. The TGR ranter can keep it.

:D
 

Changleen

Paranoid Member
Jan 9, 2004
14,351
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Pōneke
His last option is ‘be a dick to each other’, which is partially the cause of the issue in the first place. Of course the real reason in neo-liberal capitalism, but we can’t give that beast its true name can we?
 

CBJ

year old fart
Mar 19, 2002
12,878
4,221
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His last option is ‘be a dick to each other’, which is partially the cause of the issue in the first place. Of course the real reason in neo-liberal capitalism, but we can’t give that beast its true name can we?
Funny this thread popped up just as I have watched this


The game is rigged.
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
19,838
8,438
Nowhere Man!
I could change all that by moving next door. Until they get around to kicking me out I will make everyone's life miserable.
 

boostindoubles

Nacho Libre
Mar 16, 2004
7,880
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Yakistan
If it has 3/6 it is still worth taking the foot off the gas.

camping, hot springs, grocery store, trails, weed store, decent bicycle shop.

*When I showed up there 18 years ago the soul of Steamboat had already vaporized.
 
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Montana rider

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2005
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The Covid emigrees cashing out their $big city$ houses and buying in mountain towns, reminds me of post-9/11 when the same thing happened in LosBozAngeles....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-montana-escape-property-gold-rush/2020/10/20/9e36e858-0340-11eb-a2db-417cddf4816a_story.html

I took a tiny bit of joy that this Paean to the death of any notion of dirtbag approved "affordable mountain towns" was published the same day we got an early -10 cold spell in October...

Fuck your feelings*

*in your fingers and toes.

Funnily enough these folks buying houses sight unseen don't seem to have many employment concerns -- which is the biggest difference between the 406 and 303 -- if you didn't bring money to MT it's hard to find it here...

The couple are neither hunters nor anglers. Valentina, 34, born and raised in Russia, said she “loves, loves, LOVES L.A.” But when Santa Monica shut down as the virus ravaged Southern California, she lost her job as an aesthetician. Robert, a consultant who managed a bar and restaurant at night, had always said he would never leave California. But he had grown weary of “making cocktails in jars like it was a conveyor belt” to hand to customers through a takeout window, he said.


In Bozeman, they sense opportunity. “We think she’ll be a superstar in town,” Robert, 52, said of the salon his wife plans to open this week.

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New homes on the range: Weary city dwellers escape to Montana, creating a property gold rush


Lisa Rein


Oct. 20, 2020 at 9:30 p.m. MDT


BOZEMAN, Mont. — The four-bedroom contemporary just west of town smelled of fresh paint, flooring, sealant and new beginnings. The Bridger Mountains beckoned against an azure sky off the back deck, and Robert Carder, Montana's newest transplant, couldn't contain himself.

“This is your new home, Conner!” he exclaimed to his 57-pound Australian cattle dog, whose paws were slipping on the wood floor in the living room. Carder spread his arms wide. “How much bigger is this than the picture?” he asked his wife, Valentina, confirming what the couple from Los Angeles already knew.


Their living room didn’t just seem bigger than the photos on Zillow that had led them to make a $559,000 offer after 24 hours in Montana, a place they had never been. The 2,300-square-foot house was twice the size of the two-bedroom condo they sold in Brentwood, Calif., before packing their cars and driving 16 hours northeast, released from the confines of the coronavirus pandemic and the jobs Robert had grown to hate and Valentina had lost.

This was the 19th walk-through their broker, Charlotte Durham, had done for out-of-state clients since Montana’s virus shutdown ended in late April and its real estate market flipped into hyperdrive. Buyers fleeing New York, Los Angeles and other densely populated U.S. cities say they want to leave the coronavirus clusters and social justice unrest behind.

Even as the state’s fierce winter looms, the transplants are pushing house prices to record levels. Some are offering millions of dollars in cash for houses and land they have seen only on the Internet.

“They were like, ‘We’re hoping we love it!’ ” Durham recalled on a late-summer morning as the Carders nodded in agreement.
 

Montana rider

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2005
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Montana has remained a mystery to most Americans, even though it boasts some of the most magnificent scenery in the West. But as the pandemic has taken hold across the United States, what once were rural outposts here have turned into boomtowns.

These arrivals are not just tourists visiting Yellowstone National Park or looking for a wilderness vacation. This is a stampede of transplants descending in Porsche Cayennes and Teslas with cash offers. It’s multimillionaires grabbing up luxury ranches to serve as second or third homes. It’s buyers with more modest resources looking for a way out. It’s city dwellers seeking bare land in Montana’s wilderness to serve as insurance policies for America’s uncertain future.

But the virus they are fleeing has been spiking here, too. Along with the neighboring Dakotas, Montana has one of the worst per capita outbreaks in the country. The state’s coronavirus infections have risen precipitously in recent weeks, with a seven-day rolling average of 58 new reported cases per 100,000 residents, the third-highest rate in the United States. The total number of confirmed cases and deaths remains low — fewer than 24,000 cases and 241 deaths — but nearly 3,800 of those cases and 10 percent of the deaths were reported in the past week.

“We still have way fewer cases than most places and lots of wide-open space,” said Durham, 31. “It’s way better here than where people are coming from.”

The new infections have overwhelmed jails and health-care clinics in some communities and led to suspicions that outsiders are bringing the virus with them. But Gov. Steve Bullock (D) and health authorities said last week that out-of-state visitors account for fewer than 5 percent of Montana’s new cases.

“This is coming from us, to us,” said Sarah Stewart, a family physician at St. Vincent’s hospital in Billings, which serves the city and the Eastern Montana region.

Sportsmen have long revered Montana, casting flies for the world-class trout in its rivers and hunting deer and elk on its snow-capped mountain passes. A century ago, the state’s mines and forests provided jobs to immigrants from Northern Europe. In the 1990s, moviegoers glimpsed its sun-dappled rivers and towering firs in Robert Redford’s adaptation of the Norman Maclean memoir “A River Runs Through It,” and a generation of retirees and environmentalists put down roots to smell the sagebrush for themselves.

Silicon Valley tech workers put southwest Montana on the map a few years ago, as they sought an alternative to ever-pricier towns such as Aspen and Vail in Colorado and the Jackson Hole region in Wyoming. They’re taking advantage of the wide-open spaces at Big Sky, a ski resort in the midst of a building boom 40 miles south of Bozeman. The transplants work remotely and commute from a growing airport with more hangars for private jets than commercial carriers.

Downtown Bozeman remade itself with craft breweries, gluten-free bakeries and high-end galleries displaying frontier art. Soon a derisive nickname followed: Bozeangeles.

The newest migrants are different. They’re escaping fear, of the pandemic and of the social justice marches they believe are bringing violence to their door. Montana can bring them back in time.

The state is open for business. Interest rates are hovering below 3 percent. The mask police lie low. In a hyper-divided country, Montana’s politics are balanced. Its demographics less so, but that is part of the appeal for many who are coming here.

“We are 98 percent Caucasian,” said Candace Carr Strauss, chief executive of the Big Sky Chamber of Commerce, figuratively describing Montana’s lack of racial diversity.

The state is 89 percent White, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

“We haven’t, thankfully, seen a lot of the unrest other places have seen,” she said. “Our protests have been peaceful and inclusive. And while we are mostly homogenous, we welcome diversity.”

The once-sleepy Big Sky Resort is quickly acquiring first-tier status. Its neighboring private mountain ski club for the ultrarich no longer has an offseason, what with so many members who sought refuge from the pandemic in March and never left. The resort plans to open its slopes on Nov. 26 — with new coronavirus protocols in place.

Property gold rush

The property gold rush of 2020 has been dizzying. Deals move too fast for a review of comparable sales. Appraisers and title companies are being outpaced by the demand. Lenders are confronting liquidity problems. And developers can’t keep up with the thirst for new homes, which are preselling as soon as floor plans come to market.


“We’re running around like lunatics,” said Amy Hyde, a mortgage broker in Bozeman. “People have done a month in an RV, and they’re saying they want to move to Montana. The number of out-of-state cars in our town right now is insane.”


Her loan volume has tripled since the spring. When she did not return a buyer’s call for 20 minutes a few weeks ago, the buyer had already found another lender, she said. “People are just frantic and so stressed out.”


The median price of a single-family home around Bozeman vaulted $94,000 from July to August, to $710,000, according to the Gallatin Association of Realtors, which tracks sales in the city of 52,000 and the surrounding valley, the state’s fastest-growing region.






Montana’s less-flashy population centers, from the old railroad hub of Billings to the college town of Missoula, also are seeing buying frenzies. Even the long-depressed mining town of Butte and the isolated state capital, Helena — with a main street called Last Chance Gulch and a legislature that meets every other year — have watched prices surge 22 percent to 25 percent above pre-pandemic levels.

“There’s a perception that a lot of things are going to change depending on the election outcome, and here you can protect yourself where you still have gun rights,” said Myrna Rue, a real estate agent in Red Lodge, an old coal-mining town of 2,300 at the edge of the Beartooth Mountains. During one week in mid-August, she was juggling 39 deals.


Tensions on the rise


The state is changing so fast that even those who study rural migration patterns have no idea how long the madness will last — or how many people are even coming. This summer, Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport added five flights a day.

What’s far clearer is that the infusion of wealth is creating tension; Bozeman is now a city of haves and have-nots, and it is breeding resentment.

“It’s changing the whole basis of the state,’’ said Mike Garcia, owner of Northern Lights Trading Co. — River, Lakes and Oceans, an outdoor sports and recreation store. And it’s not for the better, he said. The summer brought its usual share of inexperienced sportsmen, he said, but in larger numbers. “My wife would call me up and go, ‘You need to come talk to these people. They’re clueless.’ ”

The city’s rental market has almost entirely evaporated, devoured by Airbnb.

“Help Wanted” signs hang in windows along Main Street, which is desperate for employees to serve food and drinks, and sell cars and hiking boots — if they can afford to live here. Off-campus housing has dried up at Montana State University, where 16,700 students returned in August to in-person classes.

Robert and Valentina Carder’s cars, with their California license plates, parked outside their new home in Bozeman. A new house is going up next door.

The Bozeman City Commission approved a $740,000 grant this month for a fund to coax developers to build affordable housing. The city, worried about its water supply, has imposed a surcharge on homeowners who use too much. It’s asking developers to adorn their subdivisions with fewer plants. The new city manager is devising a plan to allow more density on less land, a smart-growth approach traditionally used by cities trying to preserve open space but an unusual strategy in a place that has long prided itself on having so much of it.

Terry Cunningham, a city commissioner who moved here from New York City 21 years ago, compared Bozeman to Boulder, Colo., which imposed strict building limits long ago.

“They’ve said they won’t grow,” he said. “Our issue is how to accommodate growth in a manner that’s equitable.”

Durham sold $30 million in real estate from June through September. It is a huge boost for business, but a change she laments, too, as she reflects on her lineage as a fifth-generation Montanan from ranching and construction stock.

“In a way, it’s sad to see things selling at such a huge price point,” she said.

She pulled her black Range Rover from the curb of the Carders’ new house, her long platinum hair pulled behind the Bluetooth in her right ear. It was 78 degrees.

“I’ll be really curious to see what all of these buyers think of our winters,” she said.

Durham calls herself a “girly-girl who grew up hunting and fishing,” part rugged Montanan in her brown suede cowboy boots and feather earrings, part the urban sophisticate her clients are looking for, in a white linen pantsuit, makeup and red nail polish.

Her work ethic and marketing skills as a solo boutique broker convinced Sotheby’s to recruit her as an owner-broker in May, as the state was still reopening after its shutdown. The deals have not let up, even with the recent coronavirus surge.


When Robert Carder emailed from Los Angeles in July, Durham said a home in their price range, about $550,000, would be a hot commodity. She discovered The Lakes at Valley West, a subdivision of postage stamp lots on disappearing ranchland. Some houses are wrapped in Home Guard, awaiting completion.
 

Montana rider

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2005
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The couple are neither hunters nor anglers. Valentina, 34, born and raised in Russia, said she “loves, loves, LOVES L.A.” But when Santa Monica shut down as the virus ravaged Southern California, she lost her job as an aesthetician. Robert, a consultant who managed a bar and restaurant at night, had always said he would never leave California. But he had grown weary of “making cocktails in jars like it was a conveyor belt” to hand to customers through a takeout window, he said.


In Bozeman, they sense opportunity. “We think she’ll be a superstar in town,” Robert, 52, said of the salon his wife plans to open this week.

Durham’s next clients sensed opportunity, too, and were putting their Nordic-style home on 58 acres outside of town on the market. She parked next to the three-car garage with a Jaguar inside and climbed a handcrafted northern fir staircase to the main level. David Rafes and his wife, Meg, plan to relocate to Hawaii, and today was staging day.

Rafes, 71, made his money in Dallas selling car turbochargers. “I hate to say this,” he said, gazing at the sweeping views of the Gallatin Valley from his cedar deck, “but I’m taking advantage of the problems in the country with the covid thing.”

The stager arrived, excited for the photographic possibilities provided by the 23-foot ceilings and doors made of Alder wood. The home listed at $3.5 million.

It was onto the next appointment. Durham’s phone rang. It was a buyer named Brian from Corona del Mar in Orange County, Calif., inquiring about Holland Lake Lodge, a rustic lakeside resort near Missoula she has listed for $3.5 million.

“Give me the 30-second pitch!” Brian said. “It seems too good to be true.”

Durham described a remote retreat with Montana charm, six guest cabins and a “truly magical waterfall.” The only hitch was that under a Forest Service agreement, the property has to remain open to the public in some capacity.

“I get three calls like that a day,” Durham said. “Everyone is just looking for what’s next, I guess.”

She checked in with a retired business owner from Indiana who had cold-called a few weeks earlier after watching the opening episodes of “Yellowstone,” the Paramount series starring Kevin Costner about a sixth-generation Montana rancher trying to save his land.

The man has never been to Montana but was mesmerized by the swashbuckling image of Costner on a horse, wearing a Stetson and corralling his cattle. Plus, there’s politics. “If Joe Biden wins, I’m getting out of the Midwest,” he told Durham.

He planned to fly out before the snow came.

Durham’s assistant, Meredith Curtin, texted: They had six closings scheduled for the next week. “We really have to go through what their gifts are!!” Curtin wrote. In this market, closing gifts are touches that matter.

Not everyone coming here is buying. Durham found a coveted rental for Jennifer Stoker and her husband, Chad, who arrived in September to start a food delivery business for owners in the private Yellowstone Club at Big Sky.

When protesters marched in Chicago this summer, the couple was living in a two-bedroom apartment on Lake Shore Drive. They saw businesses looted and heard gunshots as they drove home. It scared them.

“Chicago was a great city,” said Jennifer, who worked as a private chef for a Yellowstone Club owner who lives outside Chicago. “But the state of it now makes me feel differently. I just don’t feel safe.” Her husband gave up his job as a golf course manager to help run the new food business. He had never been to Montana.

“We need a less stressful life,” Jennifer said. “And it’s pristine and breathtaking.”

Friday afternoon had arrived, and Durham swung her car into the Sotheby’s parking lot. She opened her laptop for status checks before the weekend. She was waiting on an electronic signature from a buyer who was closing on an estate listed for $10.9 million after just one visit to Montana.

“It seems crazy that someone could DocuSign for a purchase this big, right?” said Curtin, as she and Durham went over their to-do list at the office.

The inspection on another property had turned up a leak in the hot tub. There was an open house for brokers the following week. They would need to order a charcuterie board from Fink’s.

Finally, there were the gifts. It was an easy call. A bottle of Brut and a $500 gift certificate for each buyer to the Sage Lodge, a resort in the Paradise Valley on the route to Yellowstone. Curtin added them to her list.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
It makes me want to shed a tear when I hear stories of someone's easy life of leisure getting ruined by someone else's well funded life of leisure. When one type of white privilege is ruined by another type of white privilege. Can't we have all types of white privilege? It just sucks when you want to do rich white people shit and a bunch of rich white people show up.

Makes me want to curl up on the couch and listen to lectures from western ranchers complaining about taxes and government handouts and tells us about how their family has worked the same 1000 acres of land for the past 150 years that they got free from the government and used cheap immigrant labor to work. Mormons complaining about crowds.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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In a van.... down by the river
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Makes me want to curl up on the couch and listen to lectures from western ranchers complaining about taxes and government handouts and tells us about how their family has worked the same 1000 acres of land for the past 150 years that they got free from the government and used cheap immigrant labor to work.
Let's not forget about super-cheap grazing on public lands. And make no mistake - those cows can OBLITERATE trails they use to get to/from grazing areas.

Those bootstrappin' ranchers are the Welfare Queens of the west, and they won't even acknowledge the fact. :rofl:
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Blow up the lifts and the balance might change for the better.
And they’ll ride up on chartered snowcats.
Your mistake is thinking they are coming there primarily to ski. They are coming for the eclusivity, to get away from poor people, to invest in property (not necessarily to use it), etc.
 

junkyard

You might feel a little prick.
Sep 1, 2015
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I don’t get to ski much so I don’t know much about it. But could shiting in gondolas work?

I wanna move out of so cal very badly. But everyone seems to be a dick about it. Maybe I’ll just tell people I’m from Nevada or some shit.
 

boostindoubles

Nacho Libre
Mar 16, 2004
7,880
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I don’t get to ski much so I don’t know much about it. But could shiting in gondolas work?

I wanna move out of so cal very badly. But everyone seems to be a dick about it. Maybe I’ll just tell people I’m from Nevada or some shit.
In Yakima everyone says they're from California because they don't want to say Mexico.
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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Hey Uncle Watz, did you ever ski Vail before the Eisenhower tunnel opened? Are you old enough? :D Reading up on the timeline of when I-70 west of Denver was finished is interesting.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
65,734
12,758
In a van.... down by the river
Hey Uncle Watz, did you ever ski Vail before the Eisenhower tunnel opened? Are you old enough? :D Reading up on the timeline of when I-70 west of Denver was finished is interesting.
No... but one of my old ski buddies did. :D

He used to tell some interesting stories about driving to Vail from town over Loveland Pass and Vail Pass when it was a two-lane road. :fie:

You think the drive these days can be a shitshow... his tales made our traffic woes pale in comparison...
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
54,442
20,247
Sleazattle
I don’t get to ski much so I don’t know much about it. But could shiting in gondolas work?

I wanna move out of so cal very badly. But everyone seems to be a dick about it. Maybe I’ll just tell people I’m from Nevada or some shit.
To be honest I think you guys need more Californians. 500K Wyomingites have proven to be unworthy of their 2 senators and 3 electoral college votes.
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
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You think the drive these days can be a shitshow...
We got stuck right behind a tourist car on the far side of Berthoud Pass today, they did 25-30mph pretty much all the way to Winter Park. I think the line of traffic was a mile long by the time we got past them at the resort traffic lights.